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I need to edit a previous statement ..

Financially (not talking about talent here), Carney for Lowry would work fine, since MEM has plenty of room to take on more salary and avoid the cba's 125% + $100,000 salary match restrictions.

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Dummyte Cookerpecker:

Possibly to gain trade leverage by indicating they had no problem keeping Mayo?  Every one knew before the draft (see Draft Express) that McHale was infatuated with Love.  Maybe Memphis thought the Wolves would eventually give in and swap Mayo for Love/cash/less notable pieces like they did with Roy/Foye in 2006.

If this was true, and it was the turning point in getting the trade done, then what an unbelieveable sly and great move by Fred Hoiberg.  I don't give him that much credit but if so, good for him.

We were prepared to keep Mayo... he was the BPA and had the best value at the No. 3 pick. That's why Hoiberg came out and talked.... because we drafted Mayo and it's normal for someone to come out and talk about the pick. Is he really going to come out and say.. well fans, we might be working on some deals... so what if that falls through... ? then Mayo is like well I was offered in trades, I wasn't received too well in MN by the F.O. etc...

Ugh.  This is why I can't believe you like this trade.  You KNOW Mayo's better than Love and yet you're fine with him getting traded all because the Wolves get Mike friggin' Miller.  A 28 year-old decent shooter and poor defender that I still fail to see how he really helps this team.  The Wolves don't need supporting cast guys, they need a stud core.  Mayo & Al>>>>Love & Al.     

We got rid of Marko... if he wasn't part of the deal, I wouldn't have done it.

Got rid of him in the hopes of doing what?  Landing a stud FA player like the type Mayo had the potential to be?  I don't get it. 

A.  I'll be absolutely stunned when a premier FA decides to sign with the Wolves, especially if McHale's still running the show.  So I think you're banking on something with a small possibility of happening. 

B.  Even if they can convince a top-flight FA to come to MN, who do you really expect to be available?  LeBron?  Wade?  Bosh?  Right.  FA classes are never as impressive as they could be.  Take this year, who would you have gone after if the Wolves had a boatload of cash available?  Baron Davis?  Elton Brand?  Josh Smith?  Davis is nice, but old (and not considered worth the money by this team a few years ago).  Same with Brand (plus he plays the same position as Al and Love).   Josh Smith?  Meh.  I'd rather have kept Marko and gambled on Mayo's potential. 

It's hard to speculate on 2010 but if we had money this year...

Smith, Iguodala, Deng, Okafor, Monta Ellis (would have been my #1 target), Bierdrins, Baron Davis

Smith, Iguodala, Deng, Okafor, Biedrins & Ellis are all restricted FAs which means that either their teams would keep them at any reasonable price or the Wolves would have to massively overpay to pry them away, instantly hamstringing the team with another high salary bad contract. 

Yes, I know those guys are all restricted free agents... but like you said earlier.. Josh Smith is still available, you offer them BIG $$$ that their current team doesn't want to pay.. or you work out a sign and trade. I'm just saying that there are people available, not just LeBron, Bosh and Wade... no I don't assume one of those guys is going to say "Hey I wnat to come play for the Wolves" but some other guy whose team won't pay him what he thinks he deserves will come here and be a good fit with us. I'd take any of those restricted free agents right now and add them to our mix, wouldn't you?

Of course I'd take them...for a certain price.  If you can get them for under $10 or $11 mil/year, you'd be doing pretty well because none of them are really team centerpieces (well, maaaaaybe Ellis), but still good players.  But why wouldn't their own team match that kind of money?  You really want to pay Josh Smith (or any of the guys on that list) the $15 million + a year that it would take the Hawks to let him go?  That would be a terrible contract the minute it was signed. 

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Jumpmanrios:

So who wants to bet me that Mayo will not reach 25ppg in a season like everybody else just mentioned.

Ray,Iverson,Wade,Arenas have all averaged 25+ppg Mayo will never do this ever in his career.

Hell Garnett never even averaged 25+ppg

I've never really considered KG the elite kind of scorer, he's been very good but not what I would call elite, an elite player but not elite scorer. What is it about Mayo's game that makes you believe that he could never hit 25 ppg compared to the other players listed?

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saudagg:

Of course I'd take them...for a certain price.  If you can get them for under $10 or $11 mil/year, you'd be doing pretty well because none of them are really team centerpieces (well, maaaaaybe Ellis), but still good players.  But why wouldn't their own team match that kind of money?  You really want to pay Josh Smith (or any of the guys on that list) the $15 million + a year that it would take the Hawks to let him go?  That would be a terrible contract the minute it was signed. 

I think in two years, we'll know exactly what we need... hopefuly in the next two years, our core group will grow and be able to compete... this year.. maybe mid 30's in wins.. the follow year, try to get to .500.. then we'll know what to go after and you spend whatever it takes to land a big name free agent and convince them we can be competitive if they come aboard. Honestly it has to be like that otherwise what is the use of any cap space? We can also make trades to bring in players and absorb that salary... like what Charlotte did last year with getting J Rich.

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Simple he will not get the Free throw attempts needed to achieve such an average.

See AI,Wade,Arenas,Allen all got to the line in there 25+ppg seasons it is a big part of accomplishing that in the NBA.

Jumpmanrios:

Simple he will not get the Free throw attempts needed to achieve such an average.

See AI,Wade,Arenas,Allen all got to the line in there 25+ppg seasons it is a big part of accomplishing that in the NBA.

Ray Allen has a career 4.4 free throw attempt rate and during his 25 ppg and 26 ppg scoring seasons he averaged 5 free throws a game. There is nothing special about that number. Joe Johnson averaged 25 ppg while averaging 5 free throws a game. So really, I see no reason why Mayo couldn't hit a peak of 25 ppg, he may not draw free throws at a high level but I have no doubts that he'll be able to average 5 attempts per game.

Players like Wade and AI are lightning quick and are able to draw free throws with that agility. With Wade in particular he's not a very good long range shooter though so that basically evens out his ppg. OJ should average around 22 ppg for his career and peak at 25 ppg as long as he translates well.

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"Michael Jordan's not the kind of guy who will single-handedly turn around a franchise, and I'd never ask him to do that." GM, Rod Thorn 1984

I guess we will see......I fell strongly he will not be in the class of guys you mentioned. All those guys were elite scorers on EVERY level. I am always skeptical of guys with the big high school hype that dont translate to the next level. I mean the guy didnt win one award in his conference I'm pretty sure all of the other guys mentioned did. I guess long story short I like the trade based on the fact that I feel we Dumped Jaric and picked up two solid pieces. Mark my words Mayo will not average 22ppg this year or the next.

Jumpmanrios:

I guess we will see......I fell strongly he will not be in the class of guys you mentioned. All those guys were elite scorers on EVERY level. I am always skeptical of guys with the big high school hype that dont translate to the next level. I mean the guy didnt win one award in his conference I'm pretty sure all of the other guys mentioned did. I guess long story short I like the trade based on the fact that I feel we Dumped Jaric and picked up two solid pieces. Mark my words Mayo will not average 22ppg this year or the next.

I never said Mayo would average 22 ppg this year, and i'm not sure about next year either. Lebron James/Kevin Durant/Carmelo Anthony didn't average 22 ppg their rookie year either. So because he didn't win any major awards in the PAC 10, that means he underachieved? Tyler Hansborough won player of the year if that means anything. Those awards in college have very little to do with how well a player will translate to the pros. Also, 20 ppg as freshman in the toughest conference in the NCAA is very impressive and I wouldn't consider that underperforming at all.

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"Michael Jordan's not the kind of guy who will single-handedly turn around a franchise, and I'd never ask him to do that." GM, Rod Thorn 1984

I think O.J. Mayo will be pretty much a carbon copy of Cuttino Mobley, peaking at about 21 ppg in his third year and then plateauing on a bad team.

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saudagg:

Of course I'd take them...for a certain price.  If you can get them for under $10 or $11 mil/year, you'd be doing pretty well because none of them are really team centerpieces (well, maaaaaybe Ellis), but still good players.  But why wouldn't their own team match that kind of money?  You really want to pay Josh Smith (or any of the guys on that list) the $15 million + a year that it would take the Hawks to let him go?  That would be a terrible contract the minute it was signed. 

I think in two years, we'll know exactly what we need... hopefuly in the next two years, our core group will grow and be able to compete... this year.. maybe mid 30's in wins.. the follow year, try to get to .500.. then we'll know what to go after and you spend whatever it takes to land a big name free agent and convince them we can be competitive if they come aboard. Honestly it has to be like that otherwise what is the use of any cap space? We can also make trades to bring in players and absorb that salary... like what Charlotte did last year with getting J Rich.

Blah.  That's why cap space is overrated.  The draft is much more likely to produce a team's key player than free agency.  Cap space is very helpful in acquiring that final piece to complete a team, but you're rarely going to pick up a star.  That's why you keep Mayo.  He has the most potential.  If he's the real deal, then the Wolves can look to add that final piece a lot easier than drafting a role player in Love and then looking to acquire to star on the open market. 

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saudagg:

HeHateMe:

saudagg:

Of course I'd take them...for a certain price.  If you can get them for under $10 or $11 mil/year, you'd be doing pretty well because none of them are really team centerpieces (well, maaaaaybe Ellis), but still good players.  But why wouldn't their own team match that kind of money?  You really want to pay Josh Smith (or any of the guys on that list) the $15 million + a year that it would take the Hawks to let him go?  That would be a terrible contract the minute it was signed. 

I think in two years, we'll know exactly what we need... hopefuly in the next two years, our core group will grow and be able to compete... this year.. maybe mid 30's in wins.. the follow year, try to get to .500.. then we'll know what to go after and you spend whatever it takes to land a big name free agent and convince them we can be competitive if they come aboard. Honestly it has to be like that otherwise what is the use of any cap space? We can also make trades to bring in players and absorb that salary... like what Charlotte did last year with getting J Rich.

Blah.  That's why cap space is overrated.  The draft is much more likely to produce a team's key player than free agency.  Cap space is very helpful in acquiring that final piece to complete a team, but you're rarely going to pick up a star.  That's why you keep Mayo.  He has the most potential.  If he's the real deal, then the Wolves can look to add that final piece a lot easier than drafting a role player in Love and then looking to acquire to star on the open market. 

Can't disagree.

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