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Dummyte Cookerpecker:

He did the same thing Ainge did, only to abandon that plan after two years, despite the success it brought this franchise.  McHale was stuck between contending and rebuilding, never able to commit to one.  Ainge fully committed to contending by giving up his best assets (Jefferson to MN, 1st round pick to Seattle). 

McHale had an opportunity to land several All-Stars the last couple years (Iverson, Davis, Vince Carter was given away for nothing, etc.).  Except, McHale was reluctant to deal Foye for Iverson, the Wolves were reluctant to give up Sprewell's huge expiring for Baron Davis, etc.  The Cassell injury sucked but you have to deal with things, not make excuses.  If I remember correctly, the Wolves did almost nothing the following offseason to build upon '03-04.  They signed a troubled Eddie Griffin and hoped for the best but that was it.

I don't see how Boston got "lucky" at all.  Again, injuries are a part of the game.  Obviously LA was a pretty good team, even without Bynum to make it to the NBA finals.  It's not like they lost Bynum in the series.  They lost him with several months left to go in the season.

Beefcake:

The Who:

Beefcake:

Sure, I'll agree that McHale has done a decent job turning over the roster that he is 100% responsible for assembling in the first place.  I'll agree that there is some nice young talent on this team.  I'd also like to point out that right now this talent has gotten us to a 22-60 record and the future could still easily not be a lot brighter.  Forgive me if I withhold the accolades from Mr. McHale at this point.  I still judge him by his entire tenure here which has been a massive cloud of failure with a few brief rays of sunshine peeking through.

When he took over in '95 it took him one year to put together a playoff team with basically 2 leftover players from the McCloskey era.  He couldn't finish the job, no arguments there, but to call his tenure a "massive cloud of failure" is just hyperbole.  8 playoff years out of 13 in NBA Siberia, despite being penalized by the NBA of draft picks and a superstar (please note that I am not criticizing KG's game, his effort, or his committment to excellence here) with a contract that made the NBA change the rules for the entire league and in the process counting that salary at the equivalent of 1.5 superstars for our team.  He was operating a team with one hand tied behind his back (yes, some of it of his or Glen Taylor's own making), and he still managed to keep this team competitive for most of that tenure.  He has proven that he can build the foundation of a good team, he just may need someone else to finish out that team.  I think you have to give him credit for that;  it has not been a massive failure.  It has just seemed that way for the past few years.  The exact same thing has happened to Sacramento, Indiana, and Miami, and it appears that Dallas is about to enter that phase as well.  It's ebb and flow.  It will come back around, and once McHale faced the facts that it wasn't going to work with KG, he has gone back into building up mode, and the first signs are encouraging, at the very least, for all the reasons pointed out in the initial post on this thread.  This will turn around quicker than you might think, it's just hard going through the low points, especially when we were so close and everything fell apart so quickly.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Now why did the NBA strip the wolves of draft picks?  Who was the guy who broke the rules and put us in that place? 

Yeah, we made the playoffs 8 of 13 years, but this is the NBA, not baseball or football.  More than 50% of the teams make the post-season.  You've got to win post-season series to be anything.  We only did that one year.

Maimi won a title.  Dallas got there.  Sacramento and Indiana both had long stretches of good play with deep playoff runs.  If we had done that, I'd be happy with McHale.  Face it, there was only one season this team was a realistic contender.  Other teams have their runs and rebuild.  That's fine.  That is the way of it for 90% of teams.  I'd be thrilled with that.  We get extended periods of mediocrity and then rebuilding.  That is not enough.

The Who:

Beefcake:

The Who:

Beefcake:

Sure, I'll agree that McHale has done a decent job turning over the roster that he is 100% responsible for assembling in the first place.  I'll agree that there is some nice young talent on this team.  I'd also like to point out that right now this talent has gotten us to a 22-60 record and the future could still easily not be a lot brighter.  Forgive me if I withhold the accolades from Mr. McHale at this point.  I still judge him by his entire tenure here which has been a massive cloud of failure with a few brief rays of sunshine peeking through.

When he took over in '95 it took him one year to put together a playoff team with basically 2 leftover players from the McCloskey era.  He couldn't finish the job, no arguments there, but to call his tenure a "massive cloud of failure" is just hyperbole.  8 playoff years out of 13 in NBA Siberia, despite being penalized by the NBA of draft picks and a superstar (please note that I am not criticizing KG's game, his effort, or his committment to excellence here) with a contract that made the NBA change the rules for the entire league and in the process counting that salary at the equivalent of 1.5 superstars for our team.  He was operating a team with one hand tied behind his back (yes, some of it of his or Glen Taylor's own making), and he still managed to keep this team competitive for most of that tenure.  He has proven that he can build the foundation of a good team, he just may need someone else to finish out that team.  I think you have to give him credit for that;  it has not been a massive failure.  It has just seemed that way for the past few years.  The exact same thing has happened to Sacramento, Indiana, and Miami, and it appears that Dallas is about to enter that phase as well.  It's ebb and flow.  It will come back around, and once McHale faced the facts that it wasn't going to work with KG, he has gone back into building up mode, and the first signs are encouraging, at the very least, for all the reasons pointed out in the initial post on this thread.  This will turn around quicker than you might think, it's just hard going through the low points, especially when we were so close and everything fell apart so quickly.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Now why did the NBA strip the wolves of draft picks?  Who was the guy who broke the rules and put us in that place? 

Yeah, we made the playoffs 8 of 13 years, but this is the NBA, not baseball or football.  More than 50% of the teams make the post-season.  You've got to win post-season series to be anything.  We only did that one year.

Maimi won a title.  Dallas got there.  Sacramento and Indiana both had long stretches of good play with deep playoff runs.  If we had done that, I'd be happy with McHale.  Face it, there was only one season this team was a realistic contender.  Other teams have their runs and rebuild.  That's fine.  That is the way of it for 90% of teams.  I'd be thrilled with that.  We get extended periods of mediocrity and then rebuilding.  That is not enough.

I admitted in the post that the Wolves got caught breaking the rules.  I'm taking issue with your term "massive failure."  To me, massive failure is being consistent losers (see Clippers, Hawks, Golden State).  Since McHale took over, they are 523-511.  No they have not set the world on fire, but they haven't been consistently Clipper-like either.  They had a run, it was over, and now we are rebuilding, just like it said in your post.  Sacramento made it to one WCF, just like we did.  We had an extended period of solid teams, not mediocrity.  I suppose it's the old glass half full - half empty argument.  "Massive failure" is a massive exaggeration.

I know you have to give credit to Mchale for drafting Kevin Garnett, but don't you think that the Clippers would have been consistently better if they had Garnett on their team for over a decade?

hannible:

Dumbanddumber,

  Your so wound up you cant even see straight appearantly.....i've said many times that mchales track record isnt good, but if the only thing you give him credit for is admitting he sucks as you put it.....is rediculous!! I can compliment now for the past year, just like i ripped him in the past for bad moves.

 Now go find something shine to play with or your mommys keys...take a nap......come back on and i'll feed you dinner.

Got your tail between your legs looking for one last incoherent shot huh?  LOL, nice.  Next time at least check your previous posts to minimize your back peddling.

DumbnDumber:

hannible:

Dumbanddumber,

  Your so wound up you cant even see straight appearantly.....i've said many times that mchales track record isnt good, but if the only thing you give him credit for is admitting he sucks as you put it.....is rediculous!! I can compliment now for the past year, just like i ripped him in the past for bad moves.

 Now go find something shine to play with or your mommys keys...take a nap......come back on and i'll feed you dinner.

Got your tail between your legs looking for one last incoherent shot huh?  LOL, nice.  Next time at least check your previous posts to minimize your back peddling.

Are you serious?

O.K., I pointed out multiples in a previous post, i.e., where you said KG's contract didn't hurt us or something, but in your original post you said it did. 

Your either fishing for reactions or drunk.  I'm done discussing this sh*t with you.

mcFAIL sucks, glen taylor sucks, fred hoiberg sucks, wolves suck, love sucks, miller sucks, mayo is good, darrel arthur is good, memphis is good, our team is a joke, we dont have a point guard, brandon roy is good, randy foye is average,  al jefferson is good, brewer is to skinny, kg won a championship, we didnt, wolves r cheap, mcfail sucks at trades. Am i missing anything?

DumbnDumber:

Are you serious?

O.K., I pointed out multiples in a previous post, i.e., where you said KG's contract didn't hurt us or something, but in your original post you said it did. 

Your either fishing for reactions or drunk.  I'm done discussing this sh*t with you.

Thomp84:

mcFAIL sucks, glen taylor sucks, fred hoiberg sucks, wolves suck, love sucks, miller sucks, mayo is good, darrel arthur is good, memphis is good, our team is a joke, we dont have a point guard, brandon roy is good, randy foye is average,  al jefferson is good, brewer is to skinny, kg won a championship, we didnt, wolves r cheap, mcfail sucks at trades. Am i missing anything?

Really, than exactly what did you mean by this....

Are you saying KG's contract is so unique that no other team has worked around it?  That would be funny cuz Boston just won a championship by surrounding KG with 2 players that have monster contracts.  LA made it to the Finals with Kobe's contract.  The Spurs have two huge contracts.

"Can you read...or just opted not to...?"

hannible:

Thomp84:

mcFAIL sucks, glen taylor sucks, fred hoiberg sucks, wolves suck, love sucks, miller sucks, mayo is good, darrel arthur is good, memphis is good, our team is a joke, we dont have a point guard, brandon roy is good, randy foye is average,  al jefferson is good, brewer is to skinny, kg won a championship, we didnt, wolves r cheap, mcfail sucks at trades. Am i missing anything?

 you had till right here....

I was refering to GOOD as being compared to the wolves. The wolves r a complete mess. Why r we building around 2 young pf's? Memphis isnt a good team yet, but they sure have a nice young nucleus that could turn out to be a dominate force in the nba. Memphis drafts by position, conley, mayo, ***, warrick. They've filled their holes in the off-season, something the wolves failed to adress. I like what memphis is doing over their. Ok mr. hannible, plz explain to me how the wolves r in better rebuilding mode than the grizzlies. Im looking forward to ur answer.

Kevin McHale sucks about as much as anyone could possibly suck, aside from a street whore. 

Print that.

DumbnDumber:

Really, than exactly what did you mean by this....

Are you saying KG's contract is so unique that no other team has worked around it?  That would be funny cuz Boston just won a championship by surrounding KG with 2 players that have monster contracts.  LA made it to the Finals with Kobe's contract.  The Spurs have two huge contracts.    you wrote this,i didnt !!!!

"Can you read...or just opted not to...?" this was my response ,which seems even more fittin then before....

 

When your room was a complete mess when you were a kid, did you get praise for cleaning it up.  Maybe some, but ultimately you made it.  Yes, things look better, financially.  From a on-court success standpoint, no one can say for certain.  He, at one point, had a team go to the Western Conference finals.  When they get back, I'll say the mess is completely cleaned up.