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DD,

Lets be honest.  Jimmy K has below average hands.  No, he is not troy williamson but he is no Moss, either.  I have seen more than half a dozen passes bounce off his hands.  He usually catches it but it is that 10% that he doesnt catch that drives me bananas.  If you mean good as being better than TWill, than so be it.

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"Its not all about stats and wins you fricking ret ard!"
---Speedyud1 8-18-2008

Cookie, Dugan isn't even comparable as a Blocking TE in the NFL much less a pass catching one so your point was what exactly?  And I assumed you mistyped when you stated that Dugan had been with the team longer, that was the point of me quoting you!

As far as SawSir being rock hands, even you have to admit that his most productive season as a pass catching TE was in 2003 when he caught 46 passes for 401 yards and 4 TDs.  Nothing monumental to write home about but apparently good enough to convince the Minnesota Brain trusts to award SawSir with the third highest contract for TEs in the NFL!  Since then in the 4 seasons that have passed, SawSir has caught 35 passes for 285 yards and 1 TD!  Does that sound like the numbers of the NFL's 3rd highest paid TE?

No, and my argument from this standpoint alone is that SawSir has been most fortunate indeed to continue to remain employed in the NFL especially at his production level!  Now granted, I will say this much, the team is just as much at fault for continually under utilizing SawSir's God given ability as an athlete!  He can catch the ball if he is used that way, but for whatever reason this team has refused to capitalize on Mr. SawSir's all around skills IMHO!

Another point in my whole argument is that despite this misuse of talent, SawSir has produced a regular season that even the over highly rated and much more disappointing player Visanthe Shitcanco probably ever will produce and look at the money that was thrown at that gook!  What a total waste of revenue!  Here is a guy who has spent 5 years in the league and he has 62 total receptions for 576 yards and 4 career TDs!  This is supposed to be the Vikings pass catching TE that disappointed us all so badly last year?  And yet he is scheduled to clear nearly $4 million in salary this season alone!  WHY??  Why did they even sign this guy if they were just gonna waste his projected ability on the field?  Wasn't 8 years of Mr. SawSir enough?

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As Mark Twain said....
"The political and commercial morals of the United States are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet."

And just so people know exactly what the so called experts think of the Vikings best pass catching TE, here are the Scout ratings of the leagues top TEs!  SHITCANCOE is a DOG!  We could have gone after Crumpler and taken the salary cap hit for Shitcanco and still have money left to burn!  WHY bother with Shitcanco?  You'll also notice that SawSir as the back up is rated much higher than Shitcanco?  Unbelievable!

2007 NFL Scouting - Tight Ends

Scouts, Inc., has evaluated and graded more than 2,400 NFL players heading into the 2007 season, giving Insiders a leg up on the competition with exclusive grades, alerts and scouting reports.

Tight Ends
RK	PLAYER	POS	TEAM	ALERT	GRADE	COMMENT
1	Antonio Gates	TE	SD	--	90	He is the best pass catching TE... More
2	Alge Crumpler	TE	TEN	--	83	Crumpler has good size, functional... More
	Tony Gonzalez	TE	KC	--	83	Gonzalez is an 11-year veteran... More
4	Kellen Winslow	TE	CLE	I	81	Winslow has an excellent combination... More
	Todd Heap	TE	BAL	--	81	Heap has clearly entrenched himself... More
6	Jeremy Shockey	TE	NYG	D	78	Shockey is a tall tight end who... More
7	Heath Miller	TE	PIT	--	77	Miller is a fine young starting... More
8	Jason Witten	TE	DAL	--	75	Witten has good size, deceptive... More
	Benjamin Watson	TE	NE	--	75	Watson is a good combination of... More
10	Eric Johnson	TE	NO	D	74	Johnson is a very athletic tight... More
RK	PLAYER	POS	TEAM	ALERT	GRADE	COMMENT
11	Chris Baker	TE	NYJ	--	73	Baker is a fifth-year veteran that... More
12	Dallas Clark	TE	IND	B	71	Clark is a three-year veteran out... More
	Randy McMichael	TE	STL	--	71	McMichael is a fifth-year veteran... More
	Chris Cooley	TE	WAS	--	71	Cooley continues to develop his... More
15	Daniel Graham	TE	DEN	--	70	Graham is a versatile five-year... More
	Vernon Davis	TE	SF	--	70	Davis has rare speed and athleticism.... More
17	Jim Kleinsasser	TE	MIN	D	69	The Vikings have on the roster... More
	Mark Campbell	TE	NO	D	69	Campbell is tough, experienced... More
	James Dearth	TE	NYJ	--	69	Dearth is technically sound and... More
RK	PLAYER	POS	TEAM	ALERT	GRADE	COMMENT
20	Ben Troupe	TE	TB	D	67	Troupe is a four-year veteran out... More
21	Desmond Clark	TE	CHI	--	66	Clark is athletic, experienced... More
	Steve Heiden	TE	CLE	T	66	Heiden is physical, smart and reliable.... More
	Bo Scaife	TE	TEN	B	66	Scaife is a three-year veteran... More
	Justin Peelle	TE	MIA	--	66	Peelle lacks ideal size and body... More
	Owen Daniels	TE	HOU	B	66	Daniels was a rookie TE for the... More
26	Ben Utecht	TE	CIN	B	65	Utecht is a three-year veteran... More
	Michael Gaines	TE	DET	--	65	Gaines is a backup tight end who... More
	Joe Klopfenstein	TE	STL	--	65	Klopfenstein has good size and... More
RK	PLAYER	POS	TEAM	ALERT	GRADE	COMMENT
29	John Gilmore	TE	TB	--	64	Gilmore has excellent size, good... More
	Alex Smith	TE	TB	--	64	Smith is a good athlete with good... More
	Jerramy Stevens	TE	TB	C	64	Stevens is a very athletic tight... More
RK	PLAYER	POS	TEAM	ALERT	GRADE	COMMENT
32	Robert Royal	TE	BUF	--	63	Royal is a fourth-year player with... More
	Reggie Kelly	TE	CIN	--	63	The Bengals' starting tight end,... More
	Bubba Franks	TE	NYJ	ADU	63	Franks has soft hands and athleticism... More
35	Matt Schobel	TE	PHI	--	62	Schobel is a six-year veteran out... More
	George Wrighster	TE	JAC	--	62	Wrighster is a four-year veteran... More
RK	PLAYER	POS	TEAM	ALERT	GRADE	COMMENT
37	Tony Stewart	TE	OAK	--	61	Stewart backed up Reggie Kelly... More
	Marcedes Lewis	TE	JAC	--	61	Lewis was a first-year player out... More
	Joel Dreessen	TE	HOU	--	61	Dreessen has a big frame, decent... More
40	Mike Leach	TE	DEN	--	60	Leach is in his eighth year in... More
	Dan Campbell	TE	DET	OS	60	Campbell is strong, tough and somewhat... More
	Justin Snow	TE	IND	--	60	Snow is an experienced long snapper... More
	Anthony Becht	TE	STL	--	60	Becht is an adequate athlete, with... More
	Brian Jennings	TE	SF	--	60	Jennings snaps with good velocity... More
RK	PLAYER	POS	TEAM	ALERT	GRADE	COMMENT
45	Tony Scheffler	TE	DEN	B	59	Scheffler was drafted in the second... More
	Anthony Fasano	TE	MIA	I	59	Fasano makes for a big target and... More
	Brandon Manumaleuna	TE	SD	--	59	He is the backup TE, but an integral... More
RK	PLAYER	POS	TEAM	ALERT	GRADE	COMMENT
48	Kris Wilson	TE	PHI	--	58	Wilson is a four-year veteran out... More
	Leonard Pope	TE	ARI	E	58	Pope has excellent size and athleticism.... More
	Jerame Tuman	TE	ARI	--	58	Tuman is a consistent and reliable... More
	Richard Angulo	TE	JAC	--	58	Angulo has a great frame, good... More
52	John Owens	TE	DET	--	57	Owens has adequate size and he... More
	Visanthe Shiancoe	TE	MIN	--	57	Shiancoe is a four-year veteran... More

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As Mark Twain said....
"The political and commercial morals of the United States are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet."

Even former Viking Richard Angulo is rated higher than Shitcano!!! 

This is one area of the team that has frustrated me the most and I'll never understand what these coaches see in the DOGS they've signed or drafted over the last decade!  Pathetic, really pathetic!

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As Mark Twain said....
"The political and commercial morals of the United States are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet."

Here's the scouting report on Jimmy for those of you who don't have insider...read it BigMo and then tell me how pathetic the viks draft choice was!

The Vikings have on the roster one of the most dominant blocking tight ends in the NFL in Kleinsasser. The veteran tight end is a physical force along the line of scrimmage able to block any defensive lineman in the NFL. Kleinsasser plays with excellent technical skills but has the balance and sheer power to finish blocks on defenders even when his technique might breakdown. Kleinsasser has a tremendous punch and uses good hand placement with his huge paws able to quickly reset when in a short area battle. He has the power to drive block defenders opening big holes as well as the athleticism to get the backside cut off blocks sealed. Kleinsasser wears jersey number 40 as he started his career as a fullback with the athletic versatility to be an H-back as well but he excels when on the line of scrimmage. Even though he is a good pass protector, Kleinsasser is susceptible to a speed rusher in a wide alignment. Kleinsasser's versatility is his ability to challenge coverage in the passing game with the speed to stretch vertically as well as across the field. Yet Kleinsasser's route running is stiff and his ball skills are less than ideal. But once he snares a pass he is a bulldozer carrying the football intimidating to secondary defenders as he pounds down the field. The majority of Kleinsasser's productivity in the passing game is short, underneath, crossing routes. While Kleinsasser is a massive, physical presence he has had some injury issues to the point of serious questions regarding his durability. A workout warrior, Kleinsasser, when healthy, remains a dominant force upfront and enough of a threat in the short and intermediate passing game to have value to his team.

You are right.  I was typing that Kliendropper was basically an over hyped, ocal, older version of Dugan.  I probably worded it badly. 

Yeah, Dugan isnt very good but Dropper is one dimensional.   He is good at blocking but in todays football world, it is important to be able to catch passes and block as a TE.

Your points about shiancoe are valid until he plays up to his potential.  We will see if his excuse about learning the west coast offense last year is true.  I am not buying it but I hope he can rebound from that bad year he had and show us something.  I have a feeling the coaching staff wont be as patient this year.

 

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"Its not all about stats and wins you fricking ret ard!"
---Speedyud1 8-18-2008

Serious question.  For anyone who knows Sasser...is a dumb mo fo?  Or does he just look and talk like a dumb mo fo?

He's a great blocking TE.  Terrible in the passing game.  He should've been an O-lineman if you wanted to call him a great Viking b/c he was a one-dimensional player playing a postion that requires you to either be a two-dimensional player or excel in the passing game. 

It isn't 1958.  

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"I'll always be a Hawk"

fluxus:

NoDakRube:

How did this guy get so slow?  I remember watching him play back at UND, he had size and wheels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KHaKOjX_Hs

 

there might be a slight difference between NDSU's secondary speed and the NFL's.

that video made jimmy look like a white randy moss

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The Alexi Casilla era hath begun...

UpTheMiddle:

fluxus:

NoDakRube:

How did this guy get so slow?  I remember watching him play back at UND, he had size and wheels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KHaKOjX_Hs

 

there might be a slight difference between NDSU's secondary speed and the NFL's.

that video made jimmy look like a white randy moss

or wes welker

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The Alexi Casilla era hath begun...

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As Mark Twain said....
"The political and commercial morals of the United States are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet."

hustler316, all you need to do is look at the roster depth chart!  SawSir is second string to a nobody named Shitcanco!  A guy who probably will never have a single season as good or much better than SawSir ever had!   Even in 1999 when he was drafted, all the ESPN folks could do was scratch their heads and wonder did the Vikings reach with their trade to move up and select Jimmy Boy?  After 8 years and ranked as the 17th best TE in the league I'd have to say, yes their draft choice of Jimmy SawSir was PATHETIC!  His career speaks for itself!

Doesn't mean I don't like they guy!  He's just never been anything more than a blocking TE and for the team to use a second round pick on a ONE DIMENSIONAL player was par for the course and STUPID AS USUAL!!!

Got any more ridiculous questions?

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As Mark Twain said....
"The political and commercial morals of the United States are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet."

I don't know what the rabbit thing is but I think it's funny as hell!

If you go by stats alone I would agree he looks like a turd. If you ask the people that ran behind him I'm sure you would get a much different opinion of him. You are a typical stat rube with no idea of what happens within a play. Jimmy has much better hands than you think, he hasn't been used as  much as he should from the passing stand point. What's the difference if he's not a pass catching TE anyways, the running game is the Vikings bread and butter. A blocking TE is a much more effective weapon than a route running TE in our scheme, considering we haven't had a QB that could consitently pass the ball since god knows when.

Have any fans on here wondered why we always have a good running game. The backs have changed, the coaches have changed, the one constant is the people blocking, and Jimmy is a huge part of it. Stop looking at the stats and watch what actually makes the play succesful. Since your so high on stats look at what happened to the running game when Jimmy was hurt. If you don't see a correlation then you are obvesiely more interested on trying to prove yourself right than you are in seeing the truth.

The Vikings moved up to get Jimmy becasue there were other teams that wanted him ahead of the Vikings in the draft. This is a fact not an opinion, he was ranked much higher on teams boards then ESPN was reporting. Newflash ya dolt teams don't give ESPN their draft boards.

I remember reading about him destroying all sorts of helmets/grills etc when he was a rookie cuz of his fierce blocking power

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