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Dan Barreiro

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HIBBING'S FINEST STRIKES AGAIN _ Kevin Garnett soon will be gone,  meaning a great, if flawed, player has been unconscionably wasted in Minnesota. Shame on the Wolves. It is nothing short of basketball sacrilege that Kevin McHale, the Ostrich, the miserable excuse for a basketball executive, the guy who drated him and then failed him, was the guy who got to trade him.

Ridiculous. In no other city, with no other franchise, would this trade opportunity have been afforded to a guy who never deserved the chance.

Worse yet, in return, because McHale does not know how to deal creatively with any other team than Danny Ainge's Celtics, the Wolves get, yes, five more Celtics to use in their brand new rebuilding program. Don't bother with the nonsense about expired contracts. I know all about that. The Wolves get five more players from one of the most dysfunctional franchises in basketball, to add to the two that still remain from the last deal _ one a certified 7-foot weenie (Mark Blount) and the other a certified coach-killer (Ricky Davis) _ that also included Justin Reed and the alleged key to that deal, Marcus Banks.

That alone was the trade that should have ensured that McHale never got another chance to do anything more substantial than go kill some animals up north. There, at least, he could do no more damage to the franchise.

Instead, here he is, back again and Wolves fans, many of whom had come to grips with the need for the Garnett Era to end, are supposed to be inspired by acquring a bunch of players who largely contributed to the systematic destruction of what was once considered a basketball dynasty. Repeat: The issue here isn't that Garnett should not be traded. (His own contribution to the Wolves' issues, though nowhere near as devastating as the Ostrich's, has been recorded here for some time.) The issue is just how little this team got in return, and more crucially, from a franchise which failed to successfully rebuild with the players the Wolves are now supposed to, yes, use to re-build. Jefferson has a chance to be good as a low-post scorer, though he is in for a rude awakening against some of the big men of the Western Conference. He also is a very mediocre defender, and his injury totals at his tender age are scary. And he's the only player in the deal who does anything for me.

Green can jump out of the gym but has the basketball IQ of Marlon Maxey.  Gomes is a decent backup. Nothing more. Telfair has been an abject embarrassment, especially off the court. The money Ratliff represents looks nice, but the Wolves will soon learn that having cap space will not necessarily mean convincing players this is the place to play. The draft choices are decent chips, but not as sexy as they sound, given the Wolves' pick that stupidly was sent to Boston in the last Celtics trade was going to be protected for a while.

A Warriors deal that reportedly included Brandan Wright and other young Golden State Warriors interested me more. So did a Suns deal involving Shawn Marion and a series of No. 1s that would have included another Atlanta pick. The Celtics deal is horrendously worse than what the Bulls offered a year ago _ Luol Deng, Tyson Chandler and the No. 2 overall pick.

But if I'm a Celtics fan, I'm thrilled by this deal. Ainge _ and the Brain Doctor _ finally did something right, and leave it to an old Celtic, McHale, to conspire to help him do it. You get a star player who in Boston should be reinvigorated, and with Paul Pierce and Ray Allen at his side to take fourth-quarter shots, Garnett can go back to doing what he does best: Using his all-around skills to influence a game, rather than have to grab it by the throat, which has never been his strength. Matter of fact, with two scorers with him, Garnett might actually find himself in better position to also do some vital scoring. In return, all Ainge had to give up was one promising inside player and a bunch of his garbage.

All this deal does is cement the symmetry: The Ostrich didn't know how to support and complement his (flawed) superstar, and in the end, he didn't know how to trade him, either.
Published Monday, July 30, 2007 10:10 PM by KFAN Dan Barreiro

Comments

 

Vandy said:

My god - what are you going to do know that you don't have Garnett to kick around?? Wait, wait...I see the brillance in your resurgent Mauer bashing.  What a flawless transition.

Of course, this post does lack the historical context of how Garnett helped create, then cement the legend of the Ostrich. Need I remind you about Garnett's role in the Joe Smith fiasco, or how he failed to corrall Sprewell and Casell (Wasn't that you gushing over Keith Fahnhorst's locker room policing this afternoon?) or Garnett's unnatural man-love for T-Hud?

How about the way the he rolled over your boy Dwyane Casey when he could have gotten in Taylor's and McHale's face. Instead we get more of the same axe grinding and the trite public flogging of McHale.  For a guy who complains about Mchale's creativity, you might want to spend a few more hours listening to your own show tapes and re-reading some of your blog entries.

Further. if the Lakers couldn't get fair market value for Shaq, what in your tiny little brain suggests there was a better deal to be had by any executive for a less impactful player?

July 30, 2007 11:16 PM
 

NoraG1 said:

All I have to say Vandy is that Garnett wanted Spree and Cassell to stay. They were not kept. Obviously Wolves wanted to keep those other players around since they decided to get rid of the players that helped KG the most. Stop blaming KG for players kept when you should blame Mchale.
July 31, 2007 12:04 AM
 

NoraG1 said:

I have to agree though that Barriero should be happy with this seal since he pretty much bashed KG into the ground. Now so that he continue to rant he decides to take a different stance. Reading his blogs at times you would have thought he was the worse player in the league.
July 31, 2007 12:07 AM
 

Crunch1013 said:

Vandy and NoraG -- let's just hope you don't ever do anything to get in the public eye... the thinnest skin I've ever seen!  Best wear extra sunscreen -- it's supposed to get warmer tomorrow!  I grew up watching KG... I don't want to see him leave -- I don't want to see bad things said about him.  With all that said -- he's had it pretty easy here!  Gave it everything he had -- and LOST all the time.  Didn't get any help -- but didn't take the heat Ostritch, Saunders -- even G. Taylor received.  Be honest with yourselves.
July 31, 2007 12:35 AM
 

NoraG1 said:

He did seem to get plenty of heat from the fans though.
July 31, 2007 12:57 AM
 

3BeerWarmUpGuy said:

I couldn't agree more Danny boy! And as far as you pickin' on KG and how you're going to miss it, well, I always took your ribbing of KG as more a shot to the folks who failed to build the team around him. I was a passionate Timberwolf fan years. But after that brilliant 7th Game vs. Sacramento, the subsequent loss to the Lakers when we were at less than full strength... it was the season after that which turned my into a casual fan. When Cassell and Spree turned into whiny little b*tches and T-Hud decided to go belly up on his talent. It's just been all downhill from that wonderful Game 7.

Yes, we had to see KG go. It was painful to be stuck in no-man's land. And in the end, McHale get to keep his kush job because of his closeness to Taylor. I wonder how McHale can live with himself knowing how he helped Eff up this franchise. And the funny thing is, he probably thinks he's doing a great job.
July 31, 2007 3:24 AM
 

johnny88 said:

It's obvious KG's end in MN is near.  I wish we could only say the same about McHale!
July 31, 2007 7:25 AM
 

Jayhawks151 said:

The quote that keeps resonating with me is the comment that KG made last season, where he said "Why do I have to be the one to go?"

It's time to go, McHale.
July 31, 2007 7:30 AM
 

McCantsNext Level said:

You all get what you wanted.   You all wanted Moss out of here...GONE.  The wolves won about 50 games total before Garnett got here and he led us to the playoffs and won the MVP and without a Cassell injury would have led us to the NBA Finals.  But he's gone now and we go back to the days of 15 wins.  Good luck all.  I won't be watching it.  The NBA is a joke and so are Minnesota fans.
July 31, 2007 8:24 AM
 

Hollywood said:

It's a good deal for both teams.  Al Jefferson + Cap Space..yes it does matter Danny Boy.  Plus 2 1st rounders so we aren't hamstrung as we go forward.  I hope we get Boston's #1 4yrs from now when they will be absolute sh*t.
July 31, 2007 9:15 AM
 

Shawn Bradley Guy said:

I'm more upset over the Luis Castillo trade.
July 31, 2007 9:16 AM
 

StormJH1 said:

It's really amazing to think about the near-miss with the Iverson deal, and all the other what-ifs that could have occured to allow KG a legitimate shot at a title, or at least to retire with the Wolves.   How different would our outlook for the franchise be right now had that deal gone down?  But there were too many mistakes made, and it wasn't to be.

The people saying that KG never would have opted out and that he would have stayed with the Wolves as long as we wanted him may be right, but they're missing the point.  The Wolves became a stagnant product, with no chance of competing for a title in the West.  Much like the Castillo trade, this is a trade that stinks when you break it down piece for piece, but in the bigger picture, was actually a prudent and necessary business move.  Five or six years from now, if Al Jefferson is still a serviceable (if not all-star caliber) power forward in the NBA, KG will be more or less retired, and we will have given our franchise a chance to rebuild (and also picked up some other young players and draft picks to go along).  

The mistake isn't making this trade, the mistake was putting us in a position where making a trade like this represents about the best deal we could possibly get.
July 31, 2007 9:22 AM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

Kevin Garnett: The most overrated Minnesota sports star of all-time.

Yeah, it comes as no surprise that Barreiro would criticize this deal, yet I have to agree with him.  There were a lot more attractive offers out there and the Osterich never could pull the trigger on any of those.  The true wisdom of this deal won't be known for some time...let's hope for Wolves fans that it ends up being the bright end of the Hershel Walker trade.  
July 31, 2007 9:37 AM
 

NAC_11 said:

SBG - I understand your take regarding Castillo.  I must admidt he was one of my favorite players on the squad, but I guess I look at it like at least we got something.  There is no way we were going to resign him given the other, more pertinent needs.  Had the squad been more in the thick of the race I don't think you do this deal.  I can't count them totally out yet but had the margin been 2-3 games, I think things would be different.  These guys most likely will not pan out, but I guess I will take them rather than let Luis get away with nothing.  

Yeah no surprise on the savagery here.  Kinda expected it really.  It's that classy, objective, hindsight = 20/20 journalistic approach that only Barreiro can provide (insert the "Look for me on the High-road..."/Denny Green soundbite here).
July 31, 2007 10:13 AM
 

Talent said:

Look here!!! it's pretty pathetic, and most the fans in this town are fair weather at best! Not true basketball junkies that still reminisce for great team players, and great teams. Everybody says that Garnett never takes over, but last i checked..players that usually took over in the past were gaurds (i.e. Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, Isiah, Magic...with the exception of Larry Bird)...bottom line is that Glenn Taylor and McHale did the fans a dis-service. evryone here wants to blame KG...but when you are busting your ass for three quarters doing everything to keep your team in the game, that if you are lucky to still be in it...who the "F" do you think the oppostion is going to double or even triple team. DOnt forget the struggle that Jordan went through until he had a successful coach that helped in, and finally Scottie Pippen stepping up. Who the hell has KG had as a another go to..(Wally?, Ricky Davis?..?) c'mon you loser!!! you just dont get, nor will minnesotan fans ever will. You let go of one of your best assests and keep your worst! Go figure, but that's good ol' Minnesota though! I do not blame KG for any deals...even the Joe Smith!..sowhat what he wanted, you're the manager, so do what you are supposed to do! I cant remember the last time that a team traded a franchise player and actually benefited...(i.e. 76er's with Barkley, L.A. with Shaq, the Bucks with Adulljabar)...so everyone that is saying that it was about time...what do you expect our current roster to do in three years??? do you really think that we are going to be contenders? Do you think that other players dont talk and would say..."stay away from the wolves organization"...let alone, what makes you think that after their first contract is up, that all these new young players are going to re-sign???
I dont care anymore because i am just tired of the bull crap sports fans in this town...Minnesotan's!!!! Just stick to good ol' hockey!!! the only sport the minnesotans know...that way it we can have players that resemble more of the population and interest that the sport population really wants and cares about...as for me...i can enjoy watching other basketball teams...no longet have the time to watch these group of guys develope...MARK MY WORDS HERE...IT'S GOING TO BE BAD FOR A LONG TIME...AND I MEAN AT LEAST 5YEARS!!!!
EFE..."A FORMER WOLVES FAN...BUT A TRUE BASKETBALL FAN"
July 31, 2007 10:56 AM
 

Ak_AK_ADAK said:

LEW-
Can you believe these stupid T-Wolves are taking the thunder from our favorite, surging ball club??
July 31, 2007 11:17 AM
 

staticnullvoid said:

July 31, 2007 11:34 AM
 

Curtis Funkhauser said:

I'm not gleeful over this trade, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it either. The Wolves have been horendous to watch the past two seasons, and we might as well start over with a young team that can hopefully jell together and create some symmetry (see the late-90's Twins), as opposed to a salary-handcuffed team (thanks KG!) that can't afford to complement their superstar with anything other than C+ talent.

All professional sports teams need to go through a recycling process -- get rid of the old if it's not working, and bring in something new -- even if it means starting from the bottom up... which the Wolves will no doubt be doing in the ultrastrong Western Conference. With any luck, by the time the Wolves are ready to be competitive again (I'm thinking the 2010-11 season at best), there will be less strength at the top of our conference (ie: Nash retired, Duncan/Kobe/Nowitzki past their primes). Sure we have Durant and Oden coming into the division, but those teams are young too and won't be competing for any championships in the next 2-3 years. We might as well start anew with them.

Fearless prediction: this is Kevin McHale's last major move as GM. He will resign or get fired in the next six months and give way to Fred Hoiberg. This way McHale gets all the blame for the bad trades/bad signings/bad publicity and we start fresh with Fred.
July 31, 2007 12:00 PM
 

Lute Olson Hater said:

Enjoy that $225 Million Kev... What do we have to show for it?

We can blame McHale and Taylor all we want but those two were not on the floor night in and night out... KG was... and we all bought into the idea that we could build around him... well, 10 years later, we're no closer than we were ten years ago... sure we had some high points during his tenure but we are now back to the bottom of the league, sickening! Don't tell me he didnt have pieces either... he had THEE coach, the supporting cast "at times"... but KG was the main piece, he was in his prime and an MVP... and he couldn't on any night will this team to a victory, he always needed someone else... if I'm paying that kind of cash, YOU BETTER be the man and you better pound the ball inside or hit crucial shots or elevate your game to be a 30-15-9 player! KG became above average but he's never been pure greatness, that is a fact. He came in and gave us what we expected each and every year, would have been nice to see something unexpected, an upgraded version year after year. Now KG takes is Brinks truck full of money to Boston, to a perfect situation and we're left with what??? Nothing in terms of basketball accolades.

Thanks KG, you're one hell of a sports figure, role model and from what we can tell a class act, you represented "The Cities" well and that is priceless! Go win #17 for Boston... but leave #21 in Minnesota.

So, when should we expect Gaborik to be wearing Boston Bruin Black and Gold???

July 31, 2007 12:17 PM
 

BadgerBoy1 said:

I am with Dan, this deal sucks and McHale would be fired for it if the Wolves had a competent owner.  Please KG fans stop bashing Dan for saying it like it is.  KG had a big hand in helping hurt this franchise.  He wanted them to bring in his "boys" to play with him and management went with it even though from a basketball strategy aspect, they were bad moves.  All these guys Garnett wanted, or wanted and they did not get, just shows he has no clue what good players are.  He is so much like Torii, another guy with no eye for talent, especially when he was lobbying the Twins to bring back the worthless Jacque Jones.  

Pretty interesting that KG and Hunter are good friends and neither has a clue on what is good talent.  KG should be the Wolves GM in about 10 years.
July 31, 2007 12:59 PM
 

StormJH1 said:

Lute - What do we have to show for $225 million?  How about an NBA franchise, for starters!  Seriously, do the Spurs stay in San Antonio if not for David Robinson (and later, Tim Duncan)?  You can talk small market all you want, but small market teams can succeed, provided that they have the kind of star power that franchise like the Charlotte Hornets or Vancouver Grizzlies lacked.  You can't sell tickets with sub-.500 teams and guys named "Pooh," and if for nothing else, Da Kid deserves the credit for becoming Da Big Ticket.

But it has end sometime.  Ideally, the Wolves would be competitive in the playoffs, and KG would retire with the T-Wolves.  Instead, the team plateaued, and then declined under Wittman last year.  So, you have to try and save the franchise by cashing in your one valuable asset while it's still worth something.  All these people disappointed that we couldn't "build around" KG in the years to come, what did you expect would happen?  Minnesota's not the sexiest place to play ball, and our cap situation pretty much guaranteed we'd never sign anything beyond a mid-level exception.  Plus, you pissed away two of your draft picks over the next 4-7 years, and a team led by KG would probably be good enough to avoid getting you the best lottery picks anyway.  And 3/4 years down the road, who knows if KG's even serviceable anymore.  This move ain't the best, but it gives us a chance for the future, and it had to be done.
July 31, 2007 1:35 PM
 

StormJH1 said:

...On a separate note...

Bump - Congrats on the engagement!  As somebody who has logged about 6 years with the Gal, and is contemplating taking that next step in the very near future, it's encouraging to see/hear about others making the move.  Best of luck!
July 31, 2007 1:37 PM
 

Pooh_Richardson said:

One of the important things to note about this deal is that we basically acquired two WORTHLESS draft choices.

1. The pick the Celtics give us is likely to be a mid-20s pick.  You can basically buy those for cash.

2. The pick that the Celtics are giving back to us was most likely going to be a 2012 2nd Round pick.  Why?  Well, the pick we owe the Celtics is not owed until two years FOLLOWING the point where we forfeit our first round pick to the LA Clippers to satisfy the pick we gave up in the Cassell trade.  However, that Clippers pick is top-10 protected through 2010, which means we aren't likely to surrender it until 2011.

And under the terms of the old Celtics deal, the pick we owe Boston reverts to a 2012 2nd round pick if it hasn't been surrendered by 2012 (which can't happen unless the Wolves fail to get a top 10 pick in 2008, 2009 or 2010).

So when you break it down, this deal is basically Harrington + Green + Gomes plus cap filler for KG.  The picks are little value in this at all.
July 31, 2007 1:38 PM
 

Lute Olson Hater said:

Storm
Well, if that is how NBA Franchise works, who's to say we'll have this franchise for much longer then? And who would we have to thank for that? Nice argument.

Also, yeah Kevin Garnett Deserves credit for becoming a better nickname. YAWN.

Someone please delete Storm's second to last post... I'd hate to see his reputation ruined by such silliness.

Well, then again there was that last post which all but ended his credibility.
July 31, 2007 2:03 PM
 

Shawn Bradley Guy said:

My fondest memory will be Kevin Garnett trying to have cheerleading legend Mark Madsen's back against the Pistons in a REGULAR SEASON game where Madsen flopped to the floor. Garnett started the scuffle and then immediately backpedaled away from Antonio McDyess the whole length of floor.

I like KG's game, but his over the top antics like he was some tenacious, super competitive freak that got the national media fawning over him "because he plays hard every night". I guess playing hard for 82 nights is some sort of accomplishment.

July 31, 2007 2:55 PM
 

StormJH1 said:

Lute Olson HATER - (emphasis on "hater) I'm not worried, my credibility as "noted commentary guy on a local AM sports radio blog comment page" wasn't putting bread on the table to begin with.  But if you would re-read your own post, you should probably be thanking me for clarifying your contradictory post which refers to KG a "hell of a sports figure" and "role model"...right after you blast him for stealing $225 million he appearantly didn't deserve.  KG ain't perfect, but I don't think he deserves that assessment...and I'm saying that as someone born in friggin' Michigan!!!

My play on words had nothing to do with a nickname, it was a mere reference to the fact that KG SELLS TICKETS.  You must of missed that wallowing in your bitterness about the trade.  Anyway, would you rather continue misreading my posts and calling me a pansy for congratulating a man for getting engaged, or can we talk some basketball?
July 31, 2007 3:13 PM
 

dogslaughatme said:

It's nothing short of a failure that we couldn't build a championship team with a mega superstar and future hall of famer who wanted to finish his career in MN (perhaps the most rare of qualities in professional sports) and who was a class act on/off the court.

In fact....MN at one time had Ortiz, Moss, and KG....all potential hall of famers (although Ortiz probably isn't), and all three now will be key factors in competing for championships in Boston.
July 31, 2007 3:26 PM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

Ak--

I don't mind it when we're talking about trading the unquestioned marquee player in franchise history.  I just don't like pushing the Twins aside to discuss the merits of a meaningless draft pick or a Kevin McHale fishing trip...

I applaud the Twins for refusing to go quietly...this town is literally about two or three Twins losses from being completely bonkers over an unproven Vikings squad, but the Twins are basically saying "not so fast".

On that note, the Castillo trade was a little puzzling, but I don't think it hurts our chances this season as much as some do.  Hopefully Casilla is ready for primetime--otherwise, 6 more weeks of Nick Punto.  That's worse than a bad Groundhog Day forecast.
July 31, 2007 3:59 PM
 

Lute Olson Hater said:

Storm,
I stand corrected. After re-reading your initial take, I actually got it on the "big ticket" comment! clever. But, you didn't mention my initial comment? Who's to say Glen Taylor won’t say "ta hell with this... buy low... sell...lower"

Anyway, yes I am bitter, very bitter! It pains me that KG is gone... IT PAINS ME EVEN MORE THAT MOSS IS GONE and it irritates me that David Ortiz could only hit 15 homers per year as a Twin! I am a die-hard, purple-teal-red-white-and maroon and gold bleeding Minnesota sports fan. This sucks... and what can we do besides share a piece of that disappointment on some blog... so, pardon me if you caught some shrapnel from the retort. I mean no harm, most of it is tongue and cheek.

It's been a long time since I attended a parade in downtown Saint Paul... and I sure would like to attend another one in my lifetime... yet here I sit with my 3 favorite pro franchise's rebuilding. Very disheartening to say the least.


PS: a guy can steal 225 million dollars and still be a Role model and large looming sports figure, unfortunately KG is the primary and inaugural member.
July 31, 2007 4:10 PM
 

BIgDaddy said:

Here's what you need to know (from Bill Simmons on ESPN):  The Celtics haven't mattered in 15 years. We've won three playoff series since McHale retired. We've had three above-.500 seasons. We've had terrible front-office executives and terrible coaches, people who were so horrendous at their jobs it almost defied belief. We've had a whopping two All-Stars, neither of whom was a top-10 player (although they were paid like it). Quite simply, we've sucked. Even worse, the people running the team were panicking like a teenage couple waiting for the results of a pregnancy test, culminating in last month's bizarre decision to trade the No. 5 pick for Ray Allen. We were stuck in no man's land, just good enough to make the playoffs, just young enough that we weren't making noise, and by the time our young guys matured, Allen would have been finished. For the past four weeks, I've probably been the angriest I've ever been at my favorite team.

But here's what I wasn't counting on …

Our old friend Kevin McHale.

My NBA guide claims that McHale retired from the Celtics in 1993, but apparently that's a misprint. How else could you explain his decision to trade Kevin Garnett to Boston for the Al Jefferson pu pu platter deluxe? Just five weeks ago, McHale and Minnesota couldn't close a potential deal in which they received Jefferson and Boston's No. 5 pick. Now? They're settling for Jefferson (a potential franchise player), Ryan Gomes (an intangibles guy who's useless on a bad team), Bassy Telfair (a year away from signing in Italy), Gerald Green (a homeless man's J.R. Smith), Theo Ratliff's expiring deal, a 2009 lottery-protected No. 1 pick (congrats on picking in the mid-20s) and the return of Minny's future No. 1 that was stupidly included in the Ricky Davis/Mark Blount-Wally Szczerbiak trade.

Basically, McHale traded one of the best 25 players ever -- at the tail end of his prime!!! -- for Jefferson (a free agent in two years), one year of Gomes (a free agent in '08, when he'll be leaving treadmarks on his way out of Minnesota), a harmless pick and a do-over for a pick he never should have traded. Last month, McHale walked away from the No. 5 pick in the deal. This month, he couldn't even get Boston to throw in Rajon Rondo.
July 31, 2007 4:10 PM
 

Greatest of all time said:

I couldn't disagree more with Bump.  First of all, how does he know that McFAil blew those other deals?  We don't know that, maybe McFail wanted those other deals and the other teams balked, in fact in that Atlanta deal it was widely reported that the deal was done and Atlanta couldn't get clearance from their messed up ownership situation.  Also, every report I have read says that the Bulls backed off on that supposed offer because they didn't want to give up Deng.  What I read about the Golden State deal said that the Bobcats were holding it up because they wanted more as the 3rd party.  We will never know for sure, but it is clear that McFail was aggressive and talked to every team that would listen, and he had actual agreements twice before this got done.  And lets not forget it was KG himself that killed the opportunity to get the #5 pick, how can you blame McFail for that?

Listen.  I am not a McFail apologist.  I want him to be fired as much as the next guy.  He in deed deserved to be fired for the way he has handled this team since the Spree and Sam debocle.  He has been totally reactionary and made horrendous deals - Marko deal and the Wally deal are inexcusible.

BUT.  Those two bad moves do not erase the fact that he has done some good things here.  He took a terrible veteran team and completely blew it up and stocked it with great young talent.  Do we not remember that?  Wasn't it McFail that drafted KG, traded for Marbury and Googs?  That set us up to be a contender for 10 years.  It didn't work out.  Does he deserve some blame for that?  Hell yes.  But he did get it right putting those three guys together, he was unlucky that personalities and other circumstances prevented it from working.  He also put together a championship team in 2004.  I mean he did that.  No matter what dumb things he's done you can't take it away, that was all him and he got that done.  

The bottom line is this.  People like Bump hate McFail, just like he hated Dennis Green, just like he hates Joe Mauer.  No matter what they do, he will criticize them.  It doesn't mattter if Dennis Green gave Bump his kidney, he'd still rip him for something.  It's how they make themselves feel smart.  If McFail had gotten the Atlanta deal done he would have ripped it, if it was the Golden State deal, he would have ripped it, same with the supposed goldmine that the Bulls were offering.  

It's weak minded ripping just to rip people.  He either does it to play to the crowd, or he's just a moron, either way, it's meaningless.

The bottom line is this was the best deal that we could get for KG, and a deal had to be done.  Jefferson has a chance to be a very good player.  Green and Gomes are 22 or younger, so no matter how much Bump wants to right them off, don't listen, these kids are talented and have a chance to be good players.  Getting our pick back is nice, getting a late first rounder on top is icing.  Getting cap relief is real icing.

For a 31 year old 12 year veteran with a lot of wear and tear we just go 5 young kids and cap relief.  Anyone that is objective will say thats as much as you can hope for.  As someone else pointed out, Shaq was traded in this very stage of his career for a mediocre Lamar Odom, and a young dude with potential in Caron Butler.  We got a better deal than that, and that is a success for McFail.  No matter what Bump wants to preach.

Peace
July 31, 2007 4:11 PM
 

TheDoctor said:

As I sit here watching the Garnett news conference and KG telling me that he was hurt by Taylor, I'm very happy he is gone.  Bump I'm with you on McFail, but you need to start somewhere.

Garnett makes around 280K per game.  I'll repeat, 280K per game.  With that kind of money, that player must be a strong #1 who leads you deep into the playoffs.  If that doesn't happen, your squad is crippled.

KG was a Pippen paid like a Jordan.  He is one of the best #2 players in league history.  If you haven't noticed, I am not a huge KG fan at 23M per year.  His salary alone crippled the Wolves ability to attract talent.

To Bump's point, we are now Boston West.  That is not a good thing by any means.  McFail screwed this deal up by not including any stiffs in it (think Jaric or T-Dud).  McFail needed to clear more garbage off the roster.   (I have heard that T-Dud is getting bought out)

McFail needs to go, Bump is correct.  KG also needed to go, this franchise had no where to go with him.  The legacy of a player is their playoff runs.  KG has shown me nothing in the 4th quarter or in winning playoff games.

Finally, the Wolves have a terrible coach in Wittman.  Casey would have been a much better choice for this squad.  

The big question now is who will have the worst winning percentage -- the Woofies or the Purple?


July 31, 2007 6:17 PM
 

HibbingBoy said:

The best part about this trade will be watching KG play with Ray Allen and Paul Pierce for the next 3 years and seeing if he really could have gotten it done in Minnesota with better players around him.  Im predicting a trip (or two) to the finals but i dont think they'll ever win it all.   The West is too good.  It'll be fun to watch though and finally see KG enjoy some success.

Im also pumped to watch Foye, McCants, Brewer, Smith, Jefferson, Gomes, Green, Jaric, Blount, Richard, Madsen gel.  These guys will also someday be in the finals and will have a shot to win it all. Someday they'll be better than the Celtics are next year.  

The writing is on the wall - R Davis, T Hud, Hassell, Ratliff will all be trade-bait, buyout or salary cap relief guys.  This is the true test for K McHale. Bring in at least 1 big name with this pile of around $25million to go with the nice collection of young guys.
July 31, 2007 11:11 PM
 

jakeofclubs said:

I am glad I don't like basketball.  
August 1, 2007 7:43 AM
 

Richard Cranium said:

I've been going over it in my head for the last day or so, and going back and forth on the trade.  Here's the conclusion I eventually came to.  We all know it made no sense to keep him, because this team was going nowhere with him.  They were in cap hell (partially because of KG, partially because of other stupid signings), and they had nobody else worth mentioning besides a couple other young guys.  

Also, it's very, very difficult to get more than 50 cents on the dollar when you're trading a superstar.  That's just the way it works.  Plus, we don't even know if the Phoenix, Chicago and Golden State deals were real or just speculation.  So all things considered, I think they did about as well as they could for him.  McHale deserves all kinds of heat for putting the team in the position where they were forced to make this trade, but not for the trade itself.  
August 1, 2007 8:25 AM
 

TGVikes said:

Dan B. would have criticized this deal if we got Nash, Duncan and Nowitzki in a three way. He slams McHale and the Wolves because that's what he does, he's got no imagination for anything else, it's boring period! This is'nt groundbreaking stuff, everyone knows Kevein has been a bad GM and Taylor was wrong to allow it to happen. Unfortunately Danny boy gets paid to state the obvious. KFAN must be really desperate to employ the like of you Danny BOY. GO back to Chicago or wherever you came from.
August 1, 2007 9:49 AM
 

north star said:

Good luck KG!  I guess we will now find out if you will get your ring.  With Ray Allen and Paul Pierce you have a good shot especially in the East.  
August 1, 2007 10:27 AM
 

Tazwert said:

Has Kevin McHale been fired yet?

I really have to question his allegiances to the Timberwolves after this. His "big trades" are always with his former team and, as far as I know, they have always benefitted the Celtics rather than the T-wolves.

I also love how he threw his "friend" Flip Saunders under the bus, when the going got tough with Casspreewell.

McHale has done a great job of making Golden Gopher basketball the best basketball in town.

I'm just preparing for 3 years of bilious ire every time I hear about the Celtics.

August 1, 2007 11:27 AM
 

mst3k said:

I'm not a backer of McFail but I don't see how turning a stagnant situation into sudeen cap room, draft picks and age is a disaster. Oh ya, Barreiro HAS to whine about something. How could I forget? I know this mess was McFail's doing but I decided that one more chance is in store. He had zero experience when taking this position, he panicked trying to help KG and he has experience now along with a rebuilding team that has youth and cap room along with, hopefully, a strong young inside player. I'm sure I'll get roasted but getting to within 1 game, and arguably one injury to the starting PG, of the Finals 4 years ago is something few teams can say so this hasn't been a disaster. The team is only 17 years old. If within 3 years they aren't showing definite improvement, McFail HAS to go. That's my rant, let me have it.
August 1, 2007 12:48 PM
 

Talent said:

Big Daddy...it's sad that you are the only one on here that actually has basketball knowledge...it's really too, too bad...and that's just it!!! would love to politic with you bro, because you are the only one that gets it...
August 1, 2007 3:16 PM
 

Greatest of all time said:

A message to all those that say we are the Celtics of the West now:

That same logic you are using would have resulted in you passing on Kobe Bryant, TMAC, and Jermaine Oneal amongst others.  There are a long list of talented young players that started on bad teams that eventually turned out to be great.

Should McFail have not taken Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, and Gomes because he had previously made a bad deal with the Celtics?  Or should he not have taken them because they were on a losing team the last 2 years?  Both reasons would be idiotic.

By the way, under this same logic, no one should have touched Kevin Garnett in his 3rd year if we were offering him.  Because he was a 3rd year player out of high school on a terrible Wolves team, so that means he's diseased right?  

Gerald Green didn't even play very much his first two years with the C's, Gomes only started getting regular minutes last year.  How can you say these guys are losers right now and we shouldn't take them?  

The first Celtic deal was terrible.  Those guys were vets, they were what they were and they were a major part of a bad team.  But this deal is completely different.  Anyone that doesn't see that doesn't know basketball, and those that want to say this was a bad trade simply because it was with the celtics are just that, SIMPLE.

Peace
August 1, 2007 4:13 PM
 

MNSportsFanatic said:

This is a very sad day for this franchise. Yeah they got something in return. Great. That's all well and good, but when you trade a superstar like KG and the fact that he is being traded since management failed him, it is not a great day. I don't want to hear any spin or nonsense about how this is a great day for this franchise because there is hope. What hope? Yeah those guys can help, but what is the gurantee that they will win a championship. What has those guys won? When I watched them for the Celtics, I wondered how come they are not fundamentally sound when they play basketball. What I mean is that they don't play defense and they just don't make smart decisions with the ball. If they were that good, how come Boston never won with them especially in a weak Eastern Conference. That's my beef right there.

I thought this team may have better of with KG and the current young players. I don't think they would have won it all, but why not give it a try.

This is simply not a great day to trade a great player that wore the Timberwolves uniform. We won't get a guy like him. I think from now on, it will be the pits here.

I am not digging this trade.

August 1, 2007 6:46 PM
 

Lute Olson Hater said:

Trades and losses pale in comparison to events that took place today...

The real hero's appear to Minnesotan's doing what Minnesotan's do best... helping each other.

Be well.

August 1, 2007 10:04 PM
 

Brew said:

How does this guy still have a job?  Is there a bigger whiner in radio?

August 2, 2007 6:17 PM
 

mst3k said:

I am going to enjoy my memories of KG being here for 12 years and lucky enough to have season tix for some of those years. I will follow him in Boston and I can't wait to hear the ovation when Boston comes here next year. The team was dead in the water with him (not KG's fault) so I'm glad the team is trying a different option. It's funny how the people who were complaining about the 2 previous years are still complaining after this trade. The 2 options were staying status quo capped out or blowing it up and starting over. And how great is it that Hudson's gone? He called his time here a prison? Get out ! Take 3 pointers with 20 seconds left on the shot clock and 25 seconds left in the game with a 2 point lead for someone else.
August 3, 2007 6:55 AM
 

Chaos_X said:

I think Bump is off on this one.

Jefferson, as it stands, is already one of the NBA's best young big men and rising stars.  Bosh, Howard Stoudemire, Okafor, and Jefferson.  That's some pretty nice company, especially considering he's only 21 years old and can still get better.  The most impressive aspect of his game is his post play, something this franchise hasn't seen from a big man in its entire 17 years of existence.

I'm not that high on Gerald Green but there's no denying his talent.  He needs an opportunity to showcase his skills before we can write him off as a bust.  Ryan Gomes is also a nice role player but I think the Wolves are going to have a difficult time keeping him.   Oh, and it finally feels good to be the one receiving first rounders.  :D

It sucks that KG's gone after 12 years but it was obvious that it wasn't going to work.  He wanted veterans and management wanted to go young.  This team already had its hands tied behind its back due to all the longterm contracts and they couldn't afford to mortgage what little future they had for one last run.  This trade basically lets the franchise reset and hopefully, just hopefully gets things right this time.  I don't think the actual deal itself is all that bad (it's actually the second best one after the Bulls one, which was now pulled off the table).  Getting over losing KG seems to be the hardest part for most people.
August 4, 2007 11:02 PM
 

StormJH1 said:

Question: With the new blogs being posted on Dan's personality page, does that mean the Comments section is a done deal?  That would be kind of a bummer--this page was kinda like having 20 know-it-all bloggers for the price of one.
August 7, 2007 9:37 AM
 

NAC_11 said:

Storm - It certainly appears so.  It's too bad, that is the only reason I came to this site.  I guess this way Spineless McBaldy is assured of well..... how you put it earlier "golden silence".
This way no one can call him out when he is being a hypocrite or a fraud.  Although on the other hand it will be nice not to read those posts made by lemmings who do not think for themselves and eat up everything he says.


Finally Barreiro gets the last word!!!!!  Take that Sid!!!!
August 8, 2007 9:31 PM
 

StormJH1 said:

Well, that's kinda disappointing.  A lot of people said a lot of pretty dumb things on this page, but the responses were generally more thought out than stuff you see on Rube Chat, and the comments page often took a life of its own.

Dan got blasted here quite a bit, but if you want to see some real fan backlash, check out the comments pages for ESPN.com articles.  Talk about a network that is simaltaneously loved and despised.

Hey, if you download Sid's PodCasts on iPod, you can listen to the back to back, and actually hear a grumpy old man contradict himself multiple times within the course of 5 minutes...now there's entertainment!
August 13, 2007 2:57 PM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

Yes if this is it for the comments then I'm through reading the blog.  Bump's thoughts are always intriguing, but hearing the Rube Response is what it's all about.

It was a good run, Bump.

August 14, 2007 9:28 AM
 

Kandiman Guy said:

I've been done with Garnett for awhile now.  I like Jefferson, the draft picks are ok although they will not be as good as they appear on paper, Gomes is an ok backup, Telfair is a moron, Green is Ricky Davisesque in the sense that he is explosive athletically but has no clue how to effectively play the game.

What befuddles is me is this:  if we are going to take their garbage, why couldn't we unload some of ours on them?  Why couldn't we package Jaric and T-Hud with Garnett for example?  We're buying T-Hud's embarrassing contract out, but that shouldn't have been necessary.

Essentially the Wolves decided being the second worst team in the NBA wasn't good enough.  The Celtics have been one of the few teams more pathetic than the Wolves the past couple seasons, and now we basically  haveimported their entire roster in our quest to be #1.  Blount, Davis, Green, Gomes, Telfair, Jefferson.  Jefferson is the only one who is a potential all-star.  

If they stunk in Boston, why are they going to be any good here?

Perhaps Taylor and K-Mac are competitive masochists?

It's unbelievable.
August 14, 2007 4:58 PM
 

Kandiman Guy said:

I've been away unfortunately and have not been able to comment on Dan's blogs as often as I would like.

I hope the comment portion of the blog has not been eliminated, but I would not be surprised if it has.

It seems the ratio on Barreiro's blog commenters are twenty-five morons for every intelligent person, and that's being generous.

Rubes hear what they want to hear, they get cranky when one of their beloved players or clubs are called into question.

I'm a huge Wolves guy, scratch that, an ENORMOUS Wolves guy.  Barreiro has ripped them regularly and I have as well, because they have it coming it to them.   I believe it's called the TRUTH, calling it like you see it.  

Some people can't handle the truth apparently.  

It has to be frustrating to take the time to write an intelligent, thoughtful blog and have it misinterpreted and ripped to shreds by people who are so obviously stupid.   It's astonishing these idiots have the brain power to even turn on a computer, much less operate one.

Oh well, when I'm looking for a 'moron fix' there is always Vikings fan line.


August 14, 2007 5:15 PM
 

TheDoctor said:

Sorry Dan, but you deserve to be ripped.

This blog was great because of the feedback from readers.  Yes there were some idiots here, but there were also some interesting discussions on issues you raised.

The entire concept of a blog centers around a conversation or comments on an issue.  By eliminating the comments, you have eliminated a large part of what makes blogs interesting.

From a technical perspective, the RSS feed is gone, so I never know when you've written another entry now.

Dan you remain a great writer but sadly it looks like you couldn't take the heat for some of your ideas.  For that you deserve to be ripped since you regularly rip others who can't always defend themselves.

The way you fix this is by going to moderated comments.  Lambert, Chef Andrew, and others do this.  It works well.
August 22, 2007 6:09 PM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

I totally agree Doc...Dan should be seriously ripped for eliminating comments because of how his entire career has been about holding people accountable for what the do or say.

I have not read his blog since.  It was so much more fun before....and yes, some foolish comments were part of the deal, and I'm sure I contributed a few of those myself, but it will never be the same....

Readers reacting to Barreiro is as good as it gets....Barreiro simply preaching from above, without feedback, gets old quick.  

And whatever happened to the good back and forth between callers on the Bumper to Bumper show...why has that thing been turned into a variety hour now?  I think Dan is getting soft in his old age....bring back the meltdowns and the sparring with callers, please!
August 23, 2007 9:43 AM
 

Mallet21 said:

Seeing as his blog hasn't been updated in over a month I guess its safe to assume that Bump has run out of material.
September 5, 2007 2:28 PM
 

Vikingsnumber1fan said:

Hey Dan  Your my hero but Kevin Mchale is the best GM in the nba and it is not even close.
September 12, 2007 2:26 PM
 

GoToGuy said:

<i>Seeing as his blog hasn't been updated in over a month I guess its safe to assume that Bump has run out of material.</i>

I find that hard to believe, since so much has been going on.
October 19, 2007 12:12 PM
 

lesterslegends said:

I love how Glen Taylor and his chronies (Kevin McHale and Randy Whitman) have formed this little Country Club where they deflect all of the blame without assuming their share.  First up was Flip Saunders.  Flip was the only coach to excel with the limited crop of talent that his “friend” Kevin McHale provided him.  When Flip was in charge the Wolves made the playoffs regularly despite the occasional goofs in the draft (Wally over Rip, Will Avery, etc.).  He ran into trouble when the Wolves weren’t able to reload with talent in the draft because Taylor and McHale had to have the Superstar himself, Joe Smith.  Are you kidding me?  You make a secret deal with Joe Smith?  And you’re dumb enough to get caught?  Most GMs would be fired for such a blunder, but not McHale.  Why?  He’s got membership to that Country Club.  I’m sorry, but when you’re forced to take misfits and place them around a guy who can’t deliver in the fourth quarter, you’re destined to fail.  The next person to be thrown under the bus was Dwayne Casey.  Casey went 20-20 with the Wolves before being fired.  You know how the rest plays out.  They went on to go 12-30 the rest of the way under Randy Whitman, who “wasn’t brought in to look over Casey’s shoulders”.  Clearly Casey was the problem.  Good think you got rid of him because Whitman is winning in Coach K fashion.  Oh wait, he’s not.  Finally, it’s KG to get the dagger.  I’m sure Boston is worried sick whether or not KG is going to mail it in for them because he’s worked out so poorly for them.  He’s doing nothing.  Same with Flip Saunders.  The Pistons are terrible.  Oh wait, I’ve got it confused.  The Country Club keeps losing while Flip and KG were able to flourish when they escaped the shadows of McHale’s gravitional pull towards the NBA cellar.
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