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Dan Barreiro

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STOP THE SPLENDA BINGING, PLEASE __ Nothing is established at the quarterback position, the most crucial on the field. Nothing. Little has been established along the offensive line, especially the right side. Nothing is established at wide receiver. Nothing is established at tight end. Nothing is established at  defensive end. Nothing is established in the play-calling. Nothing in the way of credibility has been established by the head coach.

Doesn't mean some of those things cannot change in 2007. But be honest. If all of these descriptions applied to any team but your favorite _ the Vikings _ you would be howling. About any other team outside Minnesota, the artificial sweeteners, the splendas _ those fans and Minnesota media members who love to suger-coat the local sport scene _ would be howling about all those question marks. You would be saying this a team that is going to have to answer a whole of questions before it can be taken seriously.

But because it is your beloved Vikings _ and hope springs eternal every training camp _ you will look at things differently. Fine. Go with it.

Brad Childress likes Eagles analogies. Fine. Go with that, too. If I were coaching a team that had fallen from 9-7 to 6-10 in my first year, I'd probably prefer Eagles analogies, too. They can be packaged and sold more easily. But remember this: When Secret Squirrel reminds reporters that in 2000, the Eagles started a green, second-year guy named Donovan McNabb, backed up by Koy Detmer, and finished 11-5, he forgets to mention that McNabb was the second player taken in the first round of the draft. Despite the boos with which Eagles fans met him, he was viewed by most talent scouts as a big-time major-college prospect who would go very early in round one. Tarvaris Jackson was a second-round choice taken as high as he was only because the Vikings moved up to get him.

Doesn't mean Jackson can't pan out, but it means that McNabb clearly was seen as far more of a sure thing. For the same reason, Adrian Peterson is the guy to whom it is easier to hand the benefit of the doubt almost from the beginning. Yes, the Vikings have to be right on Jackson or the whole thing implodes, but Peterson is the guy who can bring a dimension to this offense that could change a lot in a hurry. Just don't forget about all those other questions, starting with the head coach still needing to prove he is up to the job. He flunked the test in year one.
Published Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:20 AM by KFAN Dan Barreiro

Comments

 

Hollywood said:

Nothing established in OLine??  3 pro-bowlers is a helluva start.
July 25, 2007 10:42 AM
 

10 Acres of Dreamspace Guy said:

I still can't stop laughing when reminded of Childress' saying that TJax's progression is "equal to, or better, than that of McNabb at this stage in his career."  On a related note, Sid Rice's progression is equal to, or better, than Jerry Rice's.
July 25, 2007 10:44 AM
 

Richard Cranium said:

If it was somebody else, I'd say the same thing about them that I'm saying now.  They're wobbly, but they play in a division and a conference where you don't nessecarily have to be the mid 80's 49ers to win some football games.  I'd guess at them within 1 game of .500 one way or the other.  Beyond wins and losses, their 2 main goals this year should be to determine if Jackson is an NFL QB, and Childress is an NFL head coach.  
July 25, 2007 10:46 AM
 

StormJH1 said:

Bump's right that average Vikings fan openly rips the weaknesses of rosters from teams named Detroit, Green Bay, and Arizona, but seem a little less willing to talk about the fact that we have one of the worst QB/WR situations in football, not to mention a secondary where we're not sure what we're getting.  That said, I really think that most Vikings Rubes know this, and they're more excited that start following football again, and (as Richard Cranium pointed out), with a crap division like the NFC "Norris" division, you can be fairly terrible and still make the Playoffs.  Hell, the Vikes accomplished that feat several times under Tice.

One thing I wish more Vikings fans would acknowledge is that its not a sure thing we're going to run the football.  If T-Jack looks terrible, and we have no passing game to speak of, Taylor and Peterson aren't going to dominate games when teams line up 8 guys in the box.
July 25, 2007 11:34 AM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

Talk about the Dog Days of summer...

Last year my squad managed to keep the Vikings out of the headlines until mid-September...this year my squad's apparent nose dive brings the Vikings to the forefront in July.

Think this will help them avoid the impending Black Outs?  I doubt it, not unless T-Jack and A-P are ready primetime.  

As for Secret Squirrel...he's still operating under a probationary microscope--any repeat of last season's 6-10, combined with the dismal offense we saw a year ago, and he's gone in my book.  The good news is he finally ditched the idea of Brad Johnson and is turning to T-Jack...let's hope he ditches the idea of controlling play-calling and clock management duty as well.

And I'll still be looking long and hard for this new 'discipline' he's bringing us (Hint: Squirrel, that means cut down on penalties, not speeding tickets).
July 25, 2007 11:48 AM
 

mst3k said:

How times have changed. An entire new coaching staff and style of play (blocking to name an important one), and a brand new ownership group and the coach is gone after 2 years? I do agree with Lew on the penalty thing, though.
July 25, 2007 12:25 PM
 

Lute Olson Hater said:

hmmm??? How many of us Viking fans are touting this team as a Super bowl Contender? How many of us think they are the favorite to win the NFC north? How many fans are touting T-Jax as the next Randall Cunningham? ummmm??? not many that I speak to... most of my pals think there are a lot of holes and a ton of questions... so again Dan, your pulling topics from thin air... Most logical Viking fans know the road ahead is an uphill one, and of course there are some fans out there wearing rose colored glasses but not the majority of us. So, stop your simplistic, over-used blogs... where you act like all Minnesota Sports fans are dopey drones who walk around without a clue, or better yet that you're the only one with a clue.



July 25, 2007 12:25 PM
 

mst3k said:

I agree Lute. For someone who hates it when someone puts words in his mouth, Mr. Barriero sure does it, ad nauseum, to others. I have a bud who wears the purple glasses big time and we have fun with him when they struggle. That's the difference. We have fun, have a few laughs then let it go. And who am I to seriously rip him for being a fan of the team? How does his allegiance to a team affect me?
July 25, 2007 12:44 PM
 

Shawn Bradley Guy said:

P.A. went into a rant today how they could legitimately go 3-0 to start the season. That gave me flashbacks of P.A. and the rest of KFAN proclaiming how our schedule eased up after the Monday night Patriots game. I think he slotted us at 9-2 going into the 12th game of the season.

I remember some rube last year posting "Tice plays checkers, Childress plays chess"...I'd rather have Tice's checkers right now.
July 25, 2007 12:54 PM
 

40460 said:

I don't think they'll win the Super Bowl.  But then again, Dan, your Bears got there with a train-wreck behind center.
July 25, 2007 2:27 PM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

mst3k may have a point about lowered expectations...but here's my point:

This is the Minnesota Vikings and this is the NFL.  I'm 28 years old; the only time I can recall back-to-back losing seasons was 2001 and 2002.  Guess what happened to the head coach as the 2002 season came to a close?

I think it's perfectly okay in the modern NFL for fans to expect near immediate results from a head coach, particularly one who said that he chose this team as much as it chose him.  But above that, I think it's perfectly okay for fans to expect to be entertained, if not a Super Bowl contender.  As bad as 2001 and 2002 were, we still had Randy Moss and Cris Carter.  Now we have....um....who do we have?

Any thoughts that come from P.A. on this issue that are not strictly factual must be disregarded.  P.A. is the best NFL play-by-play on Earth in my opinion, but his takes on the Vikes are on par with Dave Mona's weekly assessment of Gopher football.

Bottom line...three issues: 1. Win / Loss 2. Improvement offensively 3. Cut down on stupidness (play calling, penalties, clock management).  If Squirrel doesn't deliver on either (1) or (2 and 3), we're justified in calling for his cute little squirrel head.

P.S. I had to chuckle that on the same day the Strib ran a Vikes training camp preview there is a front page spread in the Source section on Squirrels.  
July 25, 2007 4:39 PM
 

SkolVikes86 said:

Vintage Barreiro...point out all the negatives & question why anyone would have any sense of optimism about anything.  

Still waiting for one radio broadcast or blog that is entirely positive.  Not his bit, but there has to be some happiness in him somewhere.

I bleed Purple, however, am quite realistic.  We need the QB to pan out, the O-line to pull their weight, the WRs to remove that extra bar from their facemask, QB pressure from the DEs, and the coaches need to sprinkle some creativity into their play calling to have a successful season.  

Lots of questions, but also lots of opportunities.  Hey, the NFL season is here, can't we enjoy it at least until the season starts??
July 25, 2007 7:02 PM
 

Coffee or Die said:

As a dellusional and self-professed Viking bobo, I'd love for Peterson to emerge into the threat he has the talent to become, for Jackson to come of age in his sophomore season, and for play calling that keeps defenses guessing every time the ball is snapped.

However, unless the secondary and pass rush can prevent average QBs from building stats that would make Peyton Manning blush, I see the Vikings positioning themselves for a shot at Josh David Booty on draft day.

God I hope I'm wrong.
July 25, 2007 9:56 PM
 

LittleMac said:

Dan, you are forgetting that Minnesotans embrace mediocrity like it's a family member.  Secret Squirrel has learned this in his first year.
Also, I suspect that Zygi will earn the same amount of money if the Vikings are 5-11 or 11-5.  There is no motivation to make this team better.
This afternoon, I took down the Twins flag on my flagpole here in Lansing, Michigan, and replaced it with a Vikings flag.  I do not have high hopesfor the Vikings, however, I can't see things getting worsier.  Things will get worsier for the Twins.
Thanks for asking The Nuge about drugs.  It made for the best interview yet.
Also, thanks for keeping the heat on the Vikings.
--LittleMac
July 26, 2007 12:31 AM
 

TBGH said:

For once Barreiro is spot on.  Go over to Purple Chat if you don't think there unwarranted optimism.  Hell, I just read the Vikes will 11 games this season over there.
July 26, 2007 7:13 AM
 

Richard Cranium said:

Yes.  ONE PERSON posted that the Vikings are going to be 11-5.  There are always going to be a few of those.  And Barriero in his typical fashion takes that one persons opinion and paints all Vikings fans with that broad brush.  Much like that ridiculous article he wrote based on a couple Gopher rubes posting on a message board, which I suspect was the beginning of the end of his Strib career.
July 26, 2007 8:32 AM
 

mst3k said:

I wouldn't say Minnesotans are happy with mediorocricy. I, for one, certainly don't base my emotions and self worth by how the team does. They're my top team by far, but c'mon, I have better things to worry about. I get peeved when they play poorly but I get over it. And I'm not sure the players and coaches determine their motivation by how the fans feel. I'm thinking they want a ring more than fans do. Players have a 5 year window, we have about a 60 year window.
July 26, 2007 11:27 AM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

Memo to P.A. and Dubay...Vikings training camp is the sports abyss.  Getting ga-ga over a sport for a month and a half is an abyss.

Consider: Vikes reported July 26.  Vikes opening game Sep. 9.

Meanwhile, how do you get excited about practice?  We're talking about practice, here.  Practice.

Oh wait, I forgot about those compelling preseason games....

The only reason people even care about training camp this year is because the Twins are tanking it....a year ago, Vikings training camp was back-page news.  
July 26, 2007 11:32 AM
 

Lute Olson Hater said:

Lew... Consider the source.

P.A. and Dubay are the Sports Radio equivalent of the Adam Sandler Movie; Billy Madison. They go ga-ga because they're going on a freaking field trip. You're talking about a former "bat boy" turned radio host... what more should you expect? These two dorks cream their shorts every time a marginally attractive Donna Valentine walks into the room. They actually say things like "SHMIZZLES". shall I go on??? they are a poor representation of MN sports fans... they are the ultimate Homersotans and dorks.


July 26, 2007 12:19 PM
 

justsaynotobumper said:

RIGHT ON THE MONEY! Enjoy the season!

hmmm??? How many of us Viking fans are touting this team as a Super bowl Contender? How many of us think they are the favorite to win the NFC north? How many fans are touting T-Jax as the next Randall Cunningham? ummmm??? not many that I speak to... most of my pals think there are a lot of holes and a ton of questions... so again Dan, your pulling topics from thin air... Most logical Viking fans know the road ahead is an uphill one, and of course there are some fans out there wearing rose colored glasses but not the majority of us. So, stop your simplistic, over-used blogs... where you act like all Minnesota Sports fans are dopey drones who walk around without a clue, or better yet that you're the only one with a clue.
July 26, 2007 3:10 PM
 

barbarian said:

well im not deluisoinal fan...... and im not a sky is falling fan either.... childress inheirted a team that had poor drafts a neglicted offensive line .... no play makers on the wide reciever position a 38 year old qb that had no mobility and no arm strength... they probally won more games then they should last year..... im gonna give him a 3 year window to put HIS team on the field... after that then the pressure will be on..... i have paitence im a viking fan.... who cares bout wins or loses at preseason no one knows if this team will go 6-10 or 10-6 i think both are  legitimate it all depends on our line play if the oline is able to blow teams off the ball and the d line can get after the qb good things will happen.. IM JUST FREAKING pysched bout football starting its about time for this fan
July 27, 2007 10:42 AM
 

Lute Olson Hater said:

Ummmm....??? I dont know about the rest of you Viking Fans, but i'll take a busted up Simeon Rice over the any of our D-ends.

Dan had a nice show yesterday... topics such as jerking off, toilet paper and the Lynx. I thought P.A. and Dubay were on in the mornings????
July 27, 2007 12:18 PM
 

JustAFan said:

Lute,
Just curious, why do you even listen/read?  I think the topic was football, not KFAN Staff.

There have been some good points.  I think this year, more than many others, the sugar is thinning.  People are not quite as blind to reality as typical.  I think there are just too many unknown's right now.  But, we have to stay optamistic.  It is still FOOTBALL!  I don't know how it will all turn out, but I can't wait to find out!
July 27, 2007 12:48 PM
 

RUBE HATING GUY said:

Common man today was selling hope at a greatly reduced rate. After watching the Twinkies get creamed again, he could probably raise the price. People are going to be hoping the Vikings will be better than the Twins big time. The Twins losing is the worst thing that could happen to Chili. Now all eyes will be on how terrible this team can be.

If you want to make some money, I highly suggest flying to vegas and putting everything you own on the under on total Viking wins of 7. If they win half that it will be a sucessful season for the moron Chili.
July 27, 2007 10:29 PM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

Wow....Hating at his finest...

And with the hate, comes some excellent points: 1. Common is hilarious, and this blog is about KFAN personalities...excuse computer is the best ever!

Twins losing (although just when you say that they start winning) does transfer a lot of unwarranted hope for the Vikes.  Personally, I'm just hoping for some playmaking and some fun....wins and losses will hopefully follow, but if we lose AND we are boring...then Chili can pack a flight.

The over / under of 7....I also will take the under because of the AFC West...the Raiders are the only potential gimmie....otherwise you're looking at KC (on the road--good luck Vikes), SD and Denver.  KC and Denver on the road = automatic losses. Not good.  

Nice going, Rube Hater!
July 30, 2007 9:00 AM
 

MankatoAmbassador said:

I agree full-hearted with Mr. B.  The only light at the end of the tunnel that may prove this legendary writer's opinion of the coach wrong is my memory of Bill Parcells 3-12 record in his first year with the N.Y. Giants.  Is this an overly optimistic nugget for the splenda crowd to get their fix, or do we have a "diamond in the rough" for a coach?  History tells us that Mr. B's perspective has had a better record so far.
July 30, 2007 8:05 PM
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