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---Who knew that the Vikings would have been better served closing their "mandatory" workouts to one of their own players than members of the media? Antoine Winfield is proving more dangerous than any reporter, columnist or talk-show babbler to the Purple. You see, Winfield bought into the notion offered by management last season that, having inherited a 9-7 club, the Vikings were not in serious rebuilding mode. (Remember when Secret Squirrel told us that he picked the Vikings as much as they picked him because of all the assets already in place?) Now that the Vikings, out of desperation, not design, have switched strategies to save face, Winfield is as confused as the rest of us. Problem is, the savvy cornerback knows the truth: The Vikings switched, not because they expected to be in a long-term rebuilding plan but because Childress & Co. (players included) did such a lousy job in 2006, that they had to sell something. Clearly, Winfield ain't buying.

---What was your favorite Donovan leads Magic to victory moment? It is apparently over before it began. Put me in the minority camp that had no problem with Billy Donovan taking the pro plunge. So what happened? Maybe he saw what Rasheed Wallace did to Flip Saunders and the Pistons on TV Saturday night, then heard a tone-deaf Chauncey Billups excuse Rasheed's pathetic behavior, and it was enough to remind him that pro coaching can be a very different, and dangerous, animal. Florida, not surprisingly, will welcome him back. A couple Nick Saban bobos want to know why Donovan got so little heat compared to Saban when he left the Dolphins. Simple. Whatever you think of Donovan's approach to taking the Magic job in the first place, he had an 11-year run in which he put Florida basketball on the map, and punctuated it with back-to-back national championships. He had started, and finished, his job. Saban spent two seasons in Miami and finished nothing. That's why one guy gets the benefit of the doubt and the other gets much-deserved ridicule.

 

Published Monday, June 04, 2007 2:19 PM by KFAN Dan Barreiro

Comments

 

Hayden Fry Guy said:

Chilly was disappointing last year, but Dan't putting too much blame at Chilly's feet.  He ignores the fact that Daunte Culpepper was on the team when Chilly took over and made his statement about picking the Vikings, but then Daunte demanded a trade shortly thereafter.  I blame Chilly for a lot things, but he didn't have a damn thing to do with the Daunte situation.  With Daunte, this franchise looked much more appealing.  That may have been an illusion given Daunte's continued knee problems, but things change dramatically when Brad Johnson goes from solid backup to season starter.

Oh, and losing Koren Robinson was a substantial hit on the WR corp.  Not Chilly's fault.  Look, I'm all for blaming Chilly for things he does wrong (and he made his fair share last year), but Dan's ignoring a few key developments in his blog.  

I think he envies Chilly's mustache.  

P.S.  Who cares where Billy Donovan?
June 4, 2007 3:33 PM
 

MNSportsFanatic said:

It's very clear Antonio is ticked off at Dictator Childress and who can blame him. Antonio speaking for his entire team too.

Childress rubbed the veterans the wrong way with his arrogance and his aloofness. He never was flexible. He thought he knew more than the players which is why the guys quit on him at the end. Childress has proven that he does not know what's he doing hence his playcalling and the way his offense was executed on the field. Childress has to learn that he has to earn the players respect before he demands respect especially since he was a neophyte head coach last year. The only way Childress can win his players back and the fans for that matter is to start the season very well.

As for Donovan, it's hard to blame him in changing his decision. It's too bad too because I thought he would be one guy that would break the stigma of college coaches failing in the pros. He certainly has "it" to do well in the NBA. His work ethic, his basketball experience (he was a pro player), his basketball accumen, and his communication skills would have made him an instant success in the pros. I really feel that way. He also has a good team to work with. I am dissapointed that he quit. I really wanted to see him coaching pro basketball. At least, he did not shortchange the Magic. He admitted that his heart was still in college. Why steal money from the Magic for?
June 4, 2007 3:33 PM
 

Ak_AK_ADAK said:

Donovan..... yyyyyaaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnnn...

I don't see how there can be 1 Vikings fan out there who is pleased with anything this organization has done in the last year. This season could be even worse then last season. Yeah they drafted A.Peterson, that isn't enough to excite me one little bit. I am sick and tired of being sick and tired of this coaching staff.

Help us DAN, with the exception of A.Peterson, is there anything to look forward to for the Vikings 2007 season??
June 4, 2007 3:39 PM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

I agree with Ak on the Yaawwwn to Donovan as I am generally bored by the NBA....

However, I did sense some built-in excuse making for one Flip Saunders as part of that 'NBA coaches have it so rough' cry from Barreiro.  Wouldn't hurt to just admit that Flip is largely to blame for blowing a 2-0 lead in the series...

Anyway, on to the good stuff....Vikings.  I agree that Antoine Winfield is the sensible guy in this equation, not Squirrel.  Winfield simply wants to let it known that he's not happy with the direction of the franchise while Squirrel wants to sell us beach front property in Eden Prairie.  A quick review of the facts forces any reasonably minded Vikes fan to see it Winfield's way: A boring 6-10 club...adds zero significant players through free agency, lands a highly-touted draft pick at a position where we are already fairly deep, and is going with an unproven talent at QB.

First, I am a T-Jack fan, not a hater...he was able to provide more excitement in one quarter than Brad Johnson did through 14 games.  However, do me a favor and name our starting tight end and starting wide receivers....ahhh, exactly.  And that bling bling O-line, captained by Mr. Supper Club, better live up to their pay this season or T-Jack will be on the run all year.  Oh well, better than Johnson handing it to the opposition on a silver platter.  Bottom line, at this point I'll side with a 9-year pro like Winfield over a second year coach who so far is in over his head.  Besides, who cares if Winfield doesn't want to be bright eyed and bushy tailed for these bogus off-season workouts....he's probably still worn out from making all of this team's tackles for the last two years!
June 4, 2007 3:59 PM
 

StormJH1 said:

Just because a Vikings fan is disillusioned with the direction of the franchise does not necessarily mean that they should side with an athlete who skips workouts b/c he is also disillusioned by the squad.  Look, I don't care about OTA's...I don't even care that much if the guy skips mandatory mini-camps.  But Winfield's act of non-violent noncooperation isn't going to result in this team making any improvments--at least from a FA standpoint, there aren't any left to make.  

And if he's acting up because he doesn't think T-Jack should be QB, then guess what, that's YOUR team he's ripping on.  The only way this form of protest is logical is if he's trying to force a trade, and I see no way that would be a good thing for Vikings fans.
June 4, 2007 4:06 PM
 

TheDoctor said:

Squirrel and company makes me wonder if the 1st avenue Country Club is looking to add new members.  I am 100% behind Winfield since he plays hard and shows he cares.  The Viking front office has all the arrogance of a three time Super Bowl winner.  Trouble is they are heading south toward my beloved Lions.

Wilf and Squirrel are in over their heads in a similar fashion to Glen "Joe Smith" Taylor.
June 4, 2007 4:22 PM
 

40460 said:

Can we give it more than a year before we crucify Childress?  I don't know whether or not he'll be a success, but I  could not care less if he is "arrogant".  So was Bill Parcells.  So is Bill Belichek.    If things haven't improved two years from now, then its over.  But I'll hold off judgement until that time.
June 4, 2007 5:30 PM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

You know what though, it seems like the same people who were ripping Childress last December are suddenly saying "give him a chance".  What a beautiful thing the optimism that comes with a new season can do for a coach, huh?  Well I, for one, remember last season all too well and I refuse to waffle from my opinion that Childress is an awful game day coach UNTIL I see something different in 2007.  Playcalling, clock management, and team discipline (yes, you heard that right Squirrel, we're questioning team discipline)....all awful in 2006.

Squirrel isn't fired yet and I hope he turns it around, but don't rip me for continuing to rip him when my criticism is based on what we've already seen and your optimism is based on something you hope will happen.

Here's an unrelated question for Barreiro in response to today's Bumper to Bumper show: Is there ever a situation when you can envision legitimate criticism of game officials?  This question comes on the heels of Barreiro's insistence that we always blame it on the refs (or in this case umps) after the Twins and Santana complained about the strike zone Sunday.

Obviously you look silly when you always blame it on the refs (aka every high school coach to ever hold a clipboard)...but anyone who watched Sunday's Twins game can attest to the fact that a rookie umpire had an embarassingly inconsistent strike zone...and Santana got burned by it when he gave up his last two runs.  I'm not saying we would've won the game...but what's so wrong about pointing that out?  Are officials always above criticism...must we always keep quiet and accept their judgments?

If you applied that line of thinking to everyday discourse, Barreiro would be hurting for material.
June 4, 2007 7:41 PM
 

MNSportsFanatic said:

Johan is the last guy that should be complaining about the strike zone. His strike zone is pretty big as it is.

June 4, 2007 8:13 PM
 

LoveTheBrewers said:

You're all hypocrites.  Not long ago you were all in here criticizing Favre for what he said.  Now you are all in here backing Winfield for what he said.  Do any of you have an ounce of integrity?

Barreiro made a good point about the Vikings today.  If they continue with the QBs they have, they will be one of very few teams in the history of the game that started the season without an experienced quarterback.  Unbelievable.  They might as well start scouting for that top 5 pick right now.
June 4, 2007 8:38 PM
 

LoveTheBrewers said:

Barreiro's point is that the Twins always find excuses for why they didn't win.  It's OK to criticize the umps when they deserve criticism, but the Twins do it all of the time.  They have lost all credibility when it comes to making excuses for losses.

The Twins waste their time with guys like Ortiz, Rondell White, Sydney Ponson, and Tony Batista because they are cheap.  Their only goal is to be competitive enough to put dilusional fans in the seats.  They'll never do better than playoff mediocrity.  Why do the Twins waste their time with guys like Punto and Tyner, or free agents like White, Ortiz, Ponson, and Batista?

Come over to WI and chear for a team that has a plan.  No team in baseball has done a better job of loading their team with young talent so they can make a legitimate run at the World Series for the next 4 years.  Is there a better young infield in baseball?  Fielder, Weeks, Braun, & Hardy are all 24 years old or younger and have all-star talent.  Sheets, Capuano, Suppan, Bush, and Vargas are as good as any pitching staff in baseball.  Also, they have Gallardo knocking on the door & Valenzuela unselfishly filling a role that needed to be filled in the pen and doing it well.  Turnbow and Cordero do a solid job ending games.  This team is playoff bound with a bunch of inexperienced players.  Just imagine what it will be like when they all have a year or two of playoff runs under their belt.  I can't believe after all of the terrible teams I have watched over the years the Brewers are finally on the verge of greatness.
June 4, 2007 8:57 PM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

When was that last Brewers championship again?
June 4, 2007 10:48 PM
 

LoveTheBrewers said:

When was the Twins?  91?  I was 11 years old man.  Nice arguement!  I bet you criticize Packer fans for the exact same thing.  Hypocrite!
June 4, 2007 10:51 PM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

My question came in response to "they'll never do anything other than playoff mediocrity".  As if the Brewers are anything to model an organization after...they've been a complete non-factor since joining the NL...have never won a World Series...haven't even been to the playoffs since they had a certain Hall of Famer from St. Paul, and your so-called optimism this year...you realize they've lost 12-of-16, but because their division is the joke of baseball, their lead shrunk by just 2.5 games.

Brewer fans better sober up if they think that a hot start in April and May is all it takes to win a division.  Plus, I do recall taking two of three in that new stadium...errr...dome you have in Milwaukee.  For the record, that's 3-for-3 on seeing indoor baseball in Milwaukee the last two years...I think next year I'll stick with KC and Chicago.  Sadly, many Brewer fans couldn't even find their way into Miller Park they were so drunk in the parking lot....I can't tell you how many dorks dressed in Blue and Yellow we saw passed out in lawn chairs on the way back to our car for the Saturday game.

"finally on the verge of greatness"?  Take down another beer, my friend.    
June 5, 2007 8:32 AM
 

Ak_AK_ADAK said:

Hey Lew....
Didn't Scott Baker get a Standing-O in his 2007 Twins debute.... AT MILLER PARK!!!!!!!!!!!

Brewers guy you should work on recruiting some Brewers fans so the next time the Twins go to Miller Park they don't get all the cheers.
June 5, 2007 11:08 AM
 

RUBE HATING GUY said:

Where did the brewer fan come from and how did he get away from his White Castle job long enough to log onto a computer. Hey Brewer fan, get off the computer. There is a clean up in aisle 5 waiting for you.

I think Winfield is a total idiot. He obviously has no idea that Childress was running a "kick @ss" offense last year.

That might be my all time favorite quote. The team sets records on futility and Chilly is dumb enough to say he has a good offense. And some of the idiot rubes on here think Chilly should be given more of a chance. I agree. With Chilly's offense, we might see the first ever 11 in a box defensive scheme.
June 5, 2007 11:39 AM
 

LoveTheBrewers said:

You silly Twins fans.  Just full of useless comments.  I make good points that you can't argue with so you just attack me.  I will just continue to point out the irony in your attacks.

The Metrodome is just as full of Brewer fans when Milwaukee is in town.  That's the whole point of a border rivalry.  Go to one of the Brewer games and find out for yourself.  The only difference will be the Metrodome won't be sold out.

Go ahead and attack WI for drinking as if you don't see drunk Twins fans making fools of themselves at the Metrodome.  That adds to your credibility.

What does being in the worst division in baseball have to do with anything?  By the way, this is the division that produced the world champs last year.  The NL central has 3 teams that spend money like the White Sox.  No, there is no talent in that division.  The 87 Twins played in the worst division in baseball and won the World Series.  By the way, the Brewers finished with a much better record that year in a tougher division.  Just a few years ago it was the Twins that made the playoffs every year only because they played in the worst division in baseball.  Again, just another useless comment from another dilusional Twins hypocrite.

Have fun watching utilitymen like Nick Punto play everyday and great free agent acquisitions like Rondell White and Ramon Ortiz.  I'll continue to enjoy watching the best young team in baseball.
June 5, 2007 12:20 PM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

Listen, I'll take a certain amount of smack talk from Wisconsins when it comes the Packers and Badgers, but not the Brewers.  The delusional one here is the one who is trying to paint Brewers baseball like it's some proud tradition and 2007 is the crown jewel of that tradition.  Assuming you join the sea of red, white, and blue at the Dome next weekend, you might want to direct your attention the list of division titles posted on the upper deck wall.  Then, if your vision isn't too blurred from the beer goggles, pan over to the A.L. pennants and the World Series banners.  Cause I looked long and hard at Miller Park, and funny, couldn't find any.

Bottom line is this: You can make fun of Nick Punto, Jason Tyner, Lew Ford (pinch hit last night was huge), and Ramon Ortiz all you want...but our club has been kicking your club's a$$ with these guys.  You don't have Superbowls or Rose Bowls to back you up on this argument...

Hell, you don't even have a winning season.....since 1992.  A year earlier we won our second world championship, and since then we've won four division titles.  Case closed.  
June 5, 2007 1:17 PM
 

Flying_Finn said:

I didn't realize that one decent start to a season for the Brewers was code for "let the trash talking begin!"

I'm really speechless here and am ready to hide my icon for a while.
June 5, 2007 2:59 PM
 

BadgerBoy1 said:

I love all you Minnesota sports freaks.  It is amazing how much anti-Wisconsin rhetoric I see in RubeChat and hear on KFAN.  The fans on the Wisconisn radios do not come anywhere near to the Minnesota bashing as you people do.

Keep ripping on Miller Park PS2.  It is still better than the stadium you have now and will have come 2010.
June 5, 2007 2:59 PM
 

Ak_AK_ADAK said:

Badger boy....
Twins have three home stadiums...
Inflateable Toilet, Kaufmann Stadium and MILLER PARK... when ever the Twins play in those three stadiums it sounds an awful lot like a Twins home game.
I do like how, since you can't argue stats, MVPs. Batting Champs, Cy Youngs, Division Titles, World Series Titles, one of the most historic comebacks in baseball history,  with us Tiwns fans you have to rip on our stadium... Thats a great arguement.....

I can't wait to see what you "wow the Brewers are in first place, I better find my Brewers cap" Brewers fans have to write in August and September... I'd watch out the Cubies are comin, they're comin... Lou has motivated them!!!!

June 5, 2007 5:17 PM
 

NAC_11 said:

LovetheBrewsters - please tell me you are joking?!?!?!  2 decent months and you are going to crown 'em??????  There is no way we Homers from MN  can let you off the hook.....
You are indeed who we thought you were...  

Did you post these blogs before or after your "All-you-can-drink-martini-bar/museum-tour?????
I always love that one!!!!
June 5, 2007 8:21 PM
 

LoveTheBrewers said:

What, Lew Ford had 1 good hit this year and we are commending him?  Kicking the Brewers but with these guys?  Who is the dilusional one here?

Funny, you jump to the "look at the history" arguement when it comes to the Twins. The same arguement you all dispise and dismiss as irrelevent when a Packer fan uses it against you.  You are all a bunch of hypocrites!  By the way, the Twins don't exactly have a rich history of winning.  I like how you say look at ALL the division titles as if you are talking about the Yankees.  That's good!

Yeah, here come the Cubs.  They can't even beat the Brewers with Vargas on the mound.  That's a team to worry about.

I am sitting at home right now watching Ryan Braun, Prince Fielder, JJ Hardy, Bill Hall, Carlos Villanueva, Tony Gwynn, and I have to wonder when have the Twins ever put together a group of players that rivals the talent the Brewers have on the field right now.  How about never.
June 5, 2007 9:36 PM
 

LoveTheBrewers said:

I like how AK_AK_ADAK claims the Twins have home field advantage.  The Twins made the playoffs last year, put together one of the best runs in the history of baseball, and they didn't even draw as many fans as my Brewers, a team that was out of the race in mid August and finished with 75 wins.

That's home field advantage!

I never once claimed the Brewers had any rich tradition.  It's funny that you think the Twins do.
June 5, 2007 9:46 PM
 

RUBE HATING GUY said:

The Twins with Tyner at DH (what?) and Hientz catching actually lost to the angels tonight. Hard to believe.

Seriously, Jason Tyner couldnt make the Brewers club and he is our DH.
June 5, 2007 11:37 PM
 

BIgDaddy said:

What a joke.  Give me 1/10 the talent of a real NFLer and I'll show you a teammate with more heart than this Vikes veteran leadership combined.

Winfield has choices.  Do what he's doing, or step up, be a friggin' leader and help the damn team improve.  

Make it your team Twan.  You don't inherit championships, you make 'em.  Ask Elway.
June 5, 2007 11:59 PM
 

Ak_AK_ADAK said:

Brewers guy-
I never claimed the Twins had this rich history, never tried to compare them to the Yankees. Compared to your beloved Brewers however, they do look like the Yankees. Which is a sad statement about your favorite baseball team...
FYI... THe Brewers(easiest division in baseball) have only won 5 more games than the Twins(hardest division in baseball) in 2 more games.
You are unbelieveable, there are still 100+ games to play and your crowning them already... like I said lets see what you have to say in Sept and Aug...
June 6, 2007 11:32 AM
 

LoveTheBrewers said:

OK Denny Green!  Lew Ford claimed the Twins have some rich history there genius.  And I like how 2 championships to 0 somehow is comparable to the Yankees.  That's laughable.

So what makes the AL central the best division in baseball?  I only count 2 teams over .500.  The Royals are one of the worst teams in the league.  How can someone look at that division and say, hands down, it's the best in baseball?  It just sounds like another Minnesota excuse for losing to me.

No comments about the Twins supposed home field advantage?  I guess it is hard to argue with someone that is completely right about something.  Do you honestly believe the Twins have some great following?

FYI... The Twins have won a few division titles simply because they were in the worst division in baseball.  Are you saying those division titles should somehow count less?  You can't have it both ways.
June 6, 2007 11:54 AM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

Face it Brewers guy,  you have no argument.  This is not a competitive rivalry...your team gets dominated year-in, year-out.  We can't help it if it bothers you that we make the playoffs with guys like Punto and Tyner.  Baseball is a sport that is completely frustrating when your team is not in contention...I suspect the bitterness we're getting from you is a result of 15 years of torture to that end.  

Stick to the Packers and Badgers...(by the way, no one on this thread claimed that the Packers' titles are meaningless because they happened years ago).
June 6, 2007 12:47 PM
 

Zebra-man said:

Well, the Vikings and Twins have been hashed-over-- Let me make a point about the Billy Donovan situation.

Once again, these college coaches are free to come and go--- change their mind as they please. But, heaven forbid if a player tries to transfer-- or seek his value in the NBA draft, then decide to return to NCAA ball.

Forget about the NBA coming down with some kind of penalty, why shouldn't the NCAA do the same? Who's standing up for the kids he committed to coach/recruit?

June 6, 2007 1:59 PM
 

FIRE DENNY GUY said:

BadgerBoy1 said:
I love all you Minnesota sports freaks.  It is amazing how much anti-Wisconsin rhetoric I see in RubeChat and hear on KFAN.  The fans on the Wisconisn radios do not come anywhere near to the Minnesota bashing as you people do.


BECUZ YOU CANT RIP ON US, WE HAVE CLASS & CULTURE, NOT A TRAILER TRASH STATE WITH OLD STYLE CANS AND A 82 DODGE OMNI LITTERING THE YARD.
June 6, 2007 7:17 PM
 

FIRE DENNY GUY said:

DONOVAN"S 1st game back???   VERSUS  NDSU *NORTH DAKOTA STATE U*    Nov 9th, should be an AWESOME GAME

2006  NDSU beats #11 Wisconsin
2007  NDSU beats #7 Marquette
Fall 2007  NDSU beats #1 FLORIDA????
June 6, 2007 7:24 PM
 

Ak_AK_ADAK said:

Lew-
Brewers guy is doing 1 of 2 things.
This is some sort of Common Man type bit, where he's trying to get under our skin by making these rediculous arguments. I.E.  "...Ryan Braun, Prince Fielder, JJ Hardy, Bill Hall, Carlos Villanueva, Tony Gwynn, and I have to wonder when have the Twins ever put together a group of players that rivals the talent the Brewers have on the field right now.  How about never."
Or...
The Brewers have been so bad for so long that they really don't rival any team in baseball and he trying to manufacture a rivalry by making these rediculous arguments. I.E. "Kicking the Brewers but with these guys?  Who is the dilusional one here? " Twins v. Brewers since 2002 19-14, in favor of the Twins, thats a .740 winning percentage!!!
Next weekend the Brewers come to town and we have to play the best young lineup in baseball, according to Brewers guy. We'll have Mauer back, Mornauezy, Santanazy, Hunterzy, Cuddy, Castillo.... to that I say one thing.... something the Common Man likes to say....
"LETS PLAY!!!!!"
June 6, 2007 7:30 PM
 

MNSportsFanatic said:

The truth hurts, Minnesota sports fans. I rather watch the Brew Crew than the Twins. They got hitters who can hit. They got guys who make the pitchers work. They got guys who just find a way to get it done every night. There are no easy outs in that lineup while the Twins hitters are too many automatic outs.

If anyone watched the Twins out in the West Coast trip, he or she has to be startled of what happened to them. I would like to think the Twins would be concerned instead of patting themselves in the back for playing the right way.

The Twins hitters especially the role players looked so overwhelmed against great pitching from the A's and Angels. You say A's and Angels got great pitchers. Fair enough, but the Twins starters did not do that bad either. Those two teams just know how to play ball. There are no easy outs in the A's and Angels lineup. It seems there is a different hero game after game with those two teams and that's how you win it all.

Just watching the Angels play and watching the Twins play. It's just night and day. Angels just execute every night no matter who is the hero. They got everyday players who can get it done while the Twins have to rely on the likes of Nick Punto, Jason Tyner, Jason Bartlett (he has become a bust), and others. You just don't know when they will get it done out there while with the Angels hitters, they will get it done.

The Twins got some good hitters like Morneau, Mauer, Hunter, Cuddyer, and Castillo,. Sadly, they don't have the rest of the group to complement them. You can go talk about the role players the way Dick and Bert does on every Twins telecast, but let's be real. Guys like Punto, Bartlett, Tyner, and the rest of the role players are just not that good against great pitchers and something mediocre pitchers. So they do against the White Sox, but so what. The White Sox are not that great of a team.

The Twins need to stop congraulating themselves for playing the right way. They don't play the right way. They put themselves in a position to get outs. They strike out too often. They ground into double play often. They got hitters who would not even make in any other organizations. You want to know which team plays the right way? Go watch the A's and Angels, who just found a way to get hits and just get the job done.

That's why those two teams will be in the playoffs and why the Twins will be sitting at home this October.

This team needs to get some players who can complement the big hitters because some guys just can't cut it anymore.
June 6, 2007 7:31 PM
 

Kandiman Guy said:

His beef may be legitimate to a certain degree, but I thought Winfield was above this kind of garbage.  His whining is really beginning to annoy me.  Apparently he has a sense of entitlement in regards to playing for a winning franchise.  Who doesn't want to play for a winning team?  It's selfish, it's distracting, and it's hypocritical since he's supposed to be the 'pro's pro' and the consummate professional.  

Maybe Flip will be a candidate for the Orlando job after the axe inevitably falls in Detroit.  

There goes Barreiro hammering away on Rasheed Wallace.  It must be incredibly frustrating trying to coach him.  His magnetism, talent, and high basketball IQ (almost as high as mine) are too often offset by the indefensible nonsense we saw Saturday night.  He was absolutely brilliant at times during these playoffs. How do you play that well and then decide to mail it in during the conference finals?  

June 6, 2007 7:33 PM
 

Ak_AK_ADAK said:

MNSportsFanatic said: "I rather watch the Brew Crew than the Twins." ..... This statement has never been uttered by a more true fair weather fan......

MN-
You may want to change your screen name to MNSportsFanaticaslongasanMNteamiswinning... your banter and hypocracy are unmatched....
Here is your view on the Twins:
Twins win a game; Things are ok, need to improve a little but we should be ok.
Twins lose a game; Twins are the worst!!! Send down Kubel, Tyner, Punto, Bartlett, Send down the whole team!! They are terrible!!!
MNSportsFanatic said: "The Twins got some good hitters like Morneau, Mauer, Hunter, Cuddyer, and Castillo..."  That over half the line up that you claim are good hitters, 5 of 9 hitters...
Did you eat paint chips as a kid?????
June 6, 2007 9:43 PM
 

LoveTheBrewers said:

MNSportsFanatic

Finally a Twins fan that isn't dilusional.  I don't hate the Twins.  I like to cheer for the local team.  I'm just tired of watching the Twins make a playoff run, just to lose to the A's, Yankees, Redsox, or Angels in the post season.  And I am very tired of watching the Twins be 1 or 2 players away year after year, then going out and signing guys like Tyner who wouldn't make more than 5 other rosters in the whole league.

At least the Brewers are making a run with young players, AND adding quality veterans to the roster to round out an entire team.  Look at the Brewers bench.  They have quality players coming off the bench to rest their young stars.  Look at the Twins bench, their best player off the bench is their backup catcher.  That's pathetic.  If the Brewers can go out and sign decent veterans to round out their team, why can't the Twins.
June 7, 2007 5:39 AM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

Ak is 100% right...MNSports is that guy who, a month from now when the Twins are back near the top, is going to tell you how awesome it is to watch them and how proud he is.

Fair weather fan all the way.  If you really would rather watch the Brewers, that option is available, via mlb.com  or the baseball package....but you can't say you're a Twins fan if after two plus months you decide you like watching the Brewers better because they've won a grand total of 4 more games than the Twins.

That is not a true Twins fan speaking.  
June 7, 2007 8:31 AM
 

OchoCinco said:

Brewers Fan Guy - I'll take a first round playoff sweep from the A's, Yankees, Angels, whoever any day over being 20 games back by July15th like the Brewers have been the last 10 years.  

We argue about who has better fans, stadiums, or team year in and year out.  But the fact is that if both teams were in the same division it would be a lot more fun.  And then we could compare the franchises and say with more certainty that the Brewers have been the most futal team in the league for the last 15 years.  The best rivalries in baseball are the Yankees/Red Sox and the Dodgers/Giants and Cubs/Cardinals - all play in each others division.  I'm not putting the Twins/Brewers on the same level, but couldn't it be if they played each other 19 times a year and had the same common opponents. MY SOLUTION - Twins, Brewers, White Sox, Tigers, Indians - what a fun division.  Throw the Royals in the NL Central.  I can always hope.  
June 7, 2007 10:43 AM
 

Ak_AK_ADAK said:

Lew-
Amen...
Ocho-
Of course the Twins and Brewers aren't that big of rivals. The Brewers aren't rivals with any team, not even the Cubs who are in the same division and only about a 90 minute car ride away.

Brewers Guy-
MN is the most dilusional poster on this blog, except maybe NASA. If you have a little extra time I would encourage you to go back and look at some previous blogs from the past two months, read his threads about the Twins and compare what he is saying to how the Twins did in the few games prior to his posting and you'll see what a chowder he is...
June 7, 2007 11:27 AM
 

Ak_AK_ADAK said:

Another thing Brewers guy-
You can rip on our bench all you want, but anybody who has watched this team knows that the lineup is not the biggest problem. That’s not to say that the line up doesn’t have problems. Its also the same line up that took 2 out of 3 from the Brewers this year. Pitching, particularly starting pitching, is our weak spot right now. Anyone who has watched these games knows that the Twins are constantly giving up runs in the 1st and 2nd inning and always having to play comeback. Say all you want about Terry Ryan not shoring up our pitching staff in the off season, but for every bad move he’s made he’s made 2 or 3 good moves. Ortiz and Ponson were low risk moves because of what they cost and what is in AAA.
I don’t think any of us Twins fans are saying that the Twins are a lock for the WS, or even a playoff spot yet, all we’re saying is that its not time to hit the panic button yet. Even if the Twins don’t make the playoffs this season at least they are getting their young pitchers valuable experience on the mound.
You’re the one ready to crown the Brewers, with a 100+ games left. A team that has never proven they can win anything, in a division in which the NL champions have come from the past three years… Who’s the delusional one??
June 7, 2007 11:53 AM
 

MNSportsFanatic said:

You make a beautiful point, LovetheBrewers. I wish Twins fans would grasp what you and I are talking about. Great that this team wins with a low payroll and that they go to the playoffs. With that said, I like to think this organization has higher aspirations like winning a championship. They certainly have some players that should take them to the championship like a Cy Young winner, the MVP, a great hitter in Torii, the closer, and etc. Sadly, this team surrounds them with fringe players instead of competent players who can play.

Only in Minnesota, fans are happy with being a bridesmaid instead of being a champion. Only in Minnesota, fans are happy with losing. Only in Minnesota, fans can praise Flip Saunders as a great coach when in reality, he was a lousy coach with the Wolves and his work with the Pistons just exemplify that. You see in Detroit, fans want Flip gone while in Minnesota, he gets praised for overachieving just to make the playoffs. I used to post at ***.com and those posters got tired of my negativity because I wanted higher aspirations like winning a championship. It's been 16 years since a MN Sports team won a championship. Isn't it time to demand one? I think the Twins can be that franchise, but that organization does not want to go the extra mile like the Angels, Tigers, White Sox, Red Sox, and the Yankees do. Getting swept in the first round or losing in the first round is nothing to be proud of.

You folks realize Jason Tyner, Nick Punto, Jason Bartlett, and other fringe players would not make it any other organizations. Only in Minnesota, they can be bigger than life. The only role players that are  really good is Castillo and Mike Redmond. That is it. They can hit consitently, which is why they are legit.  The ineup is a big problem. Did anyone saw how bad Punto, Bartlett, and Tyner looked out of the West Coast?

Your post was right on, LovetheBrewers. I wish Twins and their fans would get it. You need to surround your stars with role players who can get a big hit consistently not once in three weeks. It's not fair for Torii, Joe, and Justin to come out of the plate and hit HRs in every single game. Baseball is a hard game as it is. Those three have done more than they are asked to do. You need a great supporting cast and quite frankly, the Twins don't so get this through your heads.
June 7, 2007 2:30 PM
 

MNSportsFanatic said:

Since the name of the board is off-limits, you may have to google my username.
June 7, 2007 3:00 PM
 

OchoCinco said:

MN - Yeah, lets model our organization after a team that hasn't sniffed the playoffs since the 80's!  and Did you just demand a championship?  I think you should put your demands in one hand and $hit in the other. See which one gets you further.
June 7, 2007 3:02 PM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

What people don't get when they complain about guys who supposedly wouldn't start on another roster (like Punto, Tyner, Bartlett, ect.) is the other side of that coin...we have a top-notch centerfielder, a top-notch first baseman, a top-notch second baseman, a top-notch catcher, and a top-notch starting pitcher (Santana)...so you take the good with the not-so-good....and if it's between keeping what we have or spending more on our needs while at the same time risk losing our top-notch players, I'll take what we have, thank you very much.

This formula would work perfectly except for one problem....you would hope to get some cheap, minor league talent to fill our needed spots and provide better numbers than what we're seeing.  We don't have that right now....we thought we had that in Jason Kubel, but he's turning out to be just as bad as the above-mentioned group.  So if there's nothing better at AAA, you stick with these guys and roll with it.  You don't go buying other guys to fill those spots, because you can only have so many highly paid players on a team in a small market, and you do not want to risk losing what you have.  

Bottom line is we're in a lot better spot than the Naysayers like Brewers-guy and MNSports (who's other blog, hate to break it to you, I just don't care enough to look up) would have you believe...they're only citing half of the equation.
June 7, 2007 4:03 PM
 

MNSportsFanatic said:

Lew: Why don't you tell me how the Angels have developted Dallas MacPherson, Corey Kotchman, Reggie Wilits, Chone Figgins, and several other role players into stars? It's not like they are making that much money right now not to mention they are homegrown players. How about the A's? How does Marco Scrutaro, Mark Ellis, Bobby Crosby, and several other role players become stars? Both teams don't spend that much money, but they are able to develop them.  I am glad the Twins got stars on the team, but you have to complement them with good role players. Those role players are just not cutting it. They are as effective as the Timberwolves role players, who are worthless in their own right.

I just hope the Twins draft picks like Plouffe, Winfree, Parmalee, and Revere develop into the players that the Angels and A's currently have.

It's good to know that you love the product, but what matters is winning a championship.
June 7, 2007 4:10 PM
 

Lew Fords PS2 said:

Allow me to break down the stats of your Angel "stars"...

Chone Figgins.... .220 avg., 1 HR, 10 RBI

Casey Kotchman (not Corey Kotchman)... .315 avg. with 7 HRs

Dallas McPherson...a career .247 hitter and he's been on the DL all this year

Reggie Wilits.... .320 avg., 0 HR, 13 RBI

These guys are hardly stars.  They're having a good season as a team, yes, but as Ak said earlier, your memory is shorter than your....anyway, the point is...a year ago you could've said the same exact thing about Nick Punto, Jason Bartlett, and Jason Tyner.  But because this season they all are below-average, you resort to the "we're not developing good players" card...it's a which way is the wind blowing today take and I, for one, am more confident in the Twins' ability to put a winner on the field over time than I am reacting to a handful of players who've had awful years and equating that to a poorly managed baseball team.  
June 7, 2007 4:23 PM
 

MNSportsFanatic said:

Punto, Bartlett, and Tyner have accomplished nothing prior to last summer and they are doing what they are supposed to do, which is nothing. Bartlett was ripped by his manager couple of years ago for his play and his work ethic and it is rearing its ugly head again. Those four Angels players have always had high ceiling and they are living up to it.
June 7, 2007 4:46 PM
 

NAC_11 said:

Thanks goes out to MNSports...

You have now made me dumber by posting on this blog.  I sincerely hope you never procreate....
June 7, 2007 5:11 PM
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